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JessN16

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Does the phrase "house hack" need to be retired?
« on: March 18, 2009, 06:26:36 PM »
Jumping back and forth between the forums here and elsewhere, I've determined that if you average 180-230 but don't carry a PBA card, to a lot of people you are spoken of with disdain.

It seems that beginners throwing 130 averages with straight balls are sometimes given more respect than a guy averaging 210.

Granted, some people at ALL skill levels are such donks as individuals that they invite ridicule, but why must we lump everyone in this scoring range into the same box and speak ill of them? Especially since 99 percent of us here are "house hacks," too?

To me, someone averaging 230 -- which is a 690 series everytime they shoe up -- is not a talentless hack. They may be programmed to bowl well on the one condition they see, but they have no control over that. If they've got one time per week they can bowl, they are at the mercy of what is laid down at that time.

And I know we sometimes joke about our own abilities (or lack thereof), but when we refer to someone as "just a hack," I think that goes a step too far. Saying such almost assigns disrespect to the very people who are serious enough about the sport that they spend money on it, practice at it, read bowling magazines, visit sites like this one, etc. If those people are "hacks," who besides the pros actually gets respect?

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Re: Does the phrase "house hack" need to be retired?
« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2009, 02:31:57 PM »
Definitions of  hack on the Web:

    * chop: cut with a hacking tool
    * one who works hard at boring tasks
    * be able to manage or manage successfully "I can't hack it anymore" "she could not cut the long days in the office"
    * machine politician: a politician who belongs to a small clique that controls a political party for private rather than public ends
    * cut away "he hacked his way through the forest"
    * a mediocre and disdained writer
    * kick on the arms
    * a tool (as a hoe or pick or mattock) used for breaking up the surface of the soil
    * cab: a car driven by a person whose job is to take passengers where they want to go in exchange for money
    * fix a computer program piecemeal until it works "I'm not very good at hacking but I'll give it my best"
    * an old or over-worked horse
    * significantly cut up a manuscript
    * a horse kept for hire
    * cough spasmodically "The patient with emphysema is hacking all day"
    * a saddle horse used for transportation rather than sport etc.

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Re: Does the phrase "house hack" need to be retired?
« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2009, 02:43:31 PM »
A term used by bowlers trying to divert attention from themselves and their bowling ability. Putting someone else down is done so one can feel better about themselves. I notice the bowlers who call someone a "house hack" for averaging high on a certain condition can't average as high on said condition.
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JessN16

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Re: Does the phrase "house hack" need to be retired?
« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2009, 02:54:57 PM »
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Definitions of  hack on the Web:

    * chop: cut with a hacking tool
    * one who works hard at boring tasks
    * be able to manage or manage successfully "I can't hack it anymore" "she could not cut the long days in the office"
    * machine politician: a politician who belongs to a small clique that controls a political party for private rather than public ends
    * cut away "he hacked his way through the forest"
    * a mediocre and disdained writer
    * kick on the arms
    * a tool (as a hoe or pick or mattock) used for breaking up the surface of the soil
    * cab: a car driven by a person whose job is to take passengers where they want to go in exchange for money
    * fix a computer program piecemeal until it works "I'm not very good at hacking but I'll give it my best"
    * an old or over-worked horse
    * significantly cut up a manuscript
    * a horse kept for hire
    * cough spasmodically "The patient with emphysema is hacking all day"
    * a saddle horse used for transportation rather than sport etc.

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The one I put in bold is the one that applies here. It started in the journalism field but has now expanded beyond writers (and from working in journalism, I can tell you that when it is used in my profession, it means that a person is without much skill or originality. And also, frequently, is a jerk.).

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Re: Does the phrase "house hack" need to be retired?
« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2009, 03:50:22 PM »
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If those people are "hacks," who besides the pros actually gets respect?



To me someone who gets respect in my area for bowling are the ones have earned it through the years being at the top. Guys that bowl good scores across many houses and have gone to tournaments outside the area and have done well.

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Re: Does the phrase "house hack" need to be retired?
« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2009, 11:46:58 PM »
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The issue here is that "hack" isn't tied to average. It's tied to attitude, and we can't know who is or isn't unless we know them all personally.



I think you nailed right there.  A hack doesn't know he is a hack b/c he thinks his 220 china average is equal to Wes Malotts 220 average.


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Re: Does the phrase "house hack" need to be retired?
« Reply #21 on: March 20, 2009, 12:01:53 AM »
I'm afraid I might be a house hack(and not even a good one at that) because I fail to find a solid line 90% of the time I face a sport condition.  I do have a line to the pocket but I don't get the room for error needed to score(may be equipment related, not sure).

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Re: Does the phrase "house hack" need to be retired?
« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2009, 12:06:01 AM »
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I think you nailed right there.  A hack doesn't know he is a hack b/c he thinks his 220 china average is equal to Wes Malotts 220 average.




You got what I was trying to say. Example: First year my old house ran PBAX, we got about 40 guys out. Within 6 weeks, we were down to 30. I'd say of the 10 that left (all of which left because it was too tough), 3 or 4 also decided it was the laneman's fault, that it wasn't "real PBAX patterns out there." I would have no problem referring to those 3 or 4 as hacks.

The ones that stuck it out, took their medicine and averaged 30 sticks less than league book -- and we had some guys who averaged 140-150 in that PBAX league -- I would not dare refer to them with unkind words. Nor would I the ones that told me they knew they weren't PBA-level and preferred to stay on the THS leagues, because that shows self-realization, regardless of what their average is.

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Re: Does the phrase "house hack" need to be retired?
« Reply #23 on: March 20, 2009, 12:06:14 AM »
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The issue here is that "hack" isn't tied to average. It's tied to attitude, and we can't know who is or isn't unless we know them all personally.



I think you nailed right there.  A hack doesn't know he is a hack b/c he thinks his 220 china average is equal to Wes Malotts 220 average.




agroves and nospareball explain it the best to me.

Jess, your old man example is a good one.  No, he is not a hack, he doesn't portray himself to be anything but what he is.  The 196 average bowler that shoots his 300, runs out every shot and tells everyone how good he is would be a hack.

The guys that don't know they aren't really very good and/or how good the truly good bowlers really are, are the ones that make me laugh.  I don't really ever voice my opinion about a "house mouse", but I do laugh at some guys.  The Tour players are REALLY good, really really good.

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Re: Does the phrase "house hack" need to be retired?
« Reply #24 on: March 20, 2009, 12:15:07 AM »
Lefty...have bowled better on tough shots....would like to be a house hack!  

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS I believe the term should be ejected from our vocabulary!  Merely different set of skills AND often only what the person has been exposed to!
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Re: Does the phrase "house hack" need to be retired?
« Reply #25 on: March 20, 2009, 09:06:55 AM »
I think the best way to tell between a hack and a bowler, look at their spare percentage.  If they average 90%+ on single pins and 80+% overall, they have some skills.

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Re: Does the phrase "house hack" need to be retired?
« Reply #26 on: March 20, 2009, 10:08:54 AM »
I think that the spare game is also what sets "hacks" apart from "house bowlers", or other terms that are thrown around...

A hack is a guy that can shoot 230 when he's throwing a lot of strikes, but stuff a 10, and he's toast. If he's having an off night (because the lane man didnt' do his job ) he'll only shoot 140, because there's no reasonable percentage of spares.

For my money, and on my team - I want the guy that stays clean no matter what. Sooner or later, the strikes will fall - but when they don't I want him to still mark in the 10th.
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Re: Does the phrase "house hack" need to be retired?
« Reply #27 on: March 24, 2009, 02:18:22 AM »
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House hack is a term that is only used by some people to somehow lift themselves up over other bowlers in their own mind.

There are two classes of bowlers:  amateurs and pros.  Guys can go on and on about their tourney averages, their scratch league averages, their PBAX averages, and so on but if they aren't card carrying PBA members, they are amateurs.  If they use the term house hack to describe somebody elses bowling game, it just proves they are pompous asses who have to put other people down to make themselves feel better.  It is cetainly okay to describe yourself as a house hack though.


We don't agree on a lot but we agree on this completely. There seems to be a hierarchy amongst amateurs that has evaded me forever.

I'm a 180s/190s bowler and in a true walled house, I can average deuce. In my house, that makes me in the top 33 percent and close enough to the line where I was being "recruited" for a scratch league this year.

I couldn't bowl on it due to work schedule (I work until 11 p.m. that particular night), but I found it interesting how I was pitched the experience: The guy basically tried to make me feel like it would be a privilege for me to have the chance to bowl with him.

I personally don't give a crap about an average. If someone is pleasant, tries hard, pays every week and shows up without me having to hire a detective to find them, their 140 plus sticks is as good as 220 to me.

We all did this as kids, too, where some of the higher-level athletes would judge worth based on skill, but most of us outgrew that.

There are a lot of people who throw terms like this around harmlessly because they're just copying behavior, but I do know some guys who get way too wrapped up in how a guy bowls and decides that it has some bearing on what kind of person he might be. To restate it in short fashion, some people have failed to grow up as they've grown up.

Jess

Edited on 3/24/2009 2:19 AM

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Re: Does the phrase "house hack" need to be retired?
« Reply #28 on: March 24, 2009, 03:13:34 AM »
i dont know
i know this kid who can shoot 250s on a house and bowls 700 everytime he practics he sais.cause he has revs and throw its 18mph
but for our morning league they put out a house shot with double the units of oil
and he told me the other day i just bowled my first 200 on this shot
after only about 4months
what would you call him

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Re: Does the phrase "house hack" need to be retired?
« Reply #29 on: March 24, 2009, 07:44:07 AM »
Well stated Jess!

Mark