Quote from: michael.willis9 on October 26, 2018, 01:42:14 PM

Quote from: Skip H on October 26, 2018, 12:18:36 PM

Quote from: michael.willis9 on October 26, 2018, 12:03:12 AM

I’d like some help with this too. I don’t know a whole lot about low flare layouts. I see people like them for shorter layouts, but what about the burn?

My weakest ball is a hyroad pin up. But our lanes today were fried and i had to gun it to stay right of the head pin and my elbow isn’t a fan.

My initial reaction was to assume I needed a weaker ball, but I’m actually wondering if something like another hyroad or a winner with a weak drill would be better.

The downside is that it would cost a little more but I’m wondering if that’d be more worth it to have the better core in the ball for through the pin action

I really like the Hy-road too but I understand why you would consider something weaker. You could go pin down and longer pin to pap with another Hy-road or the pearl but I don't think you will see a significant difference when things start to dry out a lot. Staying in the Storm/Rotogrip lineup you might want to try something like the Match-up or Hustle balls. They are similar in RG as the Hy-road but with a weaker cover and a bit less diff. There are other companies too.  I'm not on staff with anyone  so I won't try to push to any particular company. On the other hand I like the Hy-road enough to do exactly as you mentioned and try a weaker drilling.

I guess what im more concerned about is the negatives. Basically, I don’t want to waste money.

My fear is that if I go with the tropical storm, I get a ball that can get to the pocket for the burn condition but I sacrifice hit power and I leave corner pins all night.

Or if I go with like a winner, hustle, match up or another hyroad with a weak layout and it doesn’t distinguish itself enough to be worth it.

I get every ball purchase is a risk, just trying to ask as many questions as possible for risk assessment.

If worried about wasting money go with the Hustle Ink.  Super versatile, predictable and entry level pricing (best ball under $100 undrilled imo) and one of the best drop down balls at least recently.  Trust me you will see a difference between it and the Hy-Road (own both).  Amount layout affects ball motion is over rated imo unless you go to the extremes which is never a good idea (got burned recently going pin under thumb) and is seldom more than 15% of total ball reaction.  You can accent or dull a ball's natural motion a little but not change it totally.  Far too easy to worry about layouts when surface and how you throw the ball is much more important.  Think of layouts as more of a carry tweak.

(edit: have yet to see anyone dislike the Hustle Ink on here and seen plenty of even non staffers rave about it.  I like mine but with my style and lanes I bowl on rare I see enough friction I ever have to drop down from my Hy-Road).