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JessN16

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Nice sport league performance tonight: 403.
« on: May 23, 2006, 03:43:14 PM »
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TDC57

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Re: Nice sport league performance tonight: 403.
« Reply #46 on: May 26, 2006, 02:55:15 PM »
Wow njv29, you got your undies in a bundle pretty fast. Maybe you should have read my response a little better. I didn't say sport bowling is ruining the game. Get your facts straight OK? I said snobs like you are ruining the game!! The vast majority of league bowlers do it for a fun night out and clowns with their noses up in the air like you take the fun out of it. I don't need ten boards to bump off of and I have bowled decently at the ABC tournaments I have been at. I have bowled on a variety of difficult and sport shots at our lanes on the nights when they hold a mini tournament featuring those type of shots.

My point and evidently your intelligence level won't allow you to comprehend it is that sport bowling is not the answer to bowling's woes. If it was made the standard it would end league bowling as we know it. I don't know how old you are and how much experience you have but I believe my experience allows me to say that with certainty. I have been involved in the bowling business for 23 years and I'm as competitive as they come and not scared to bowl on any condition, but I know the industry today relies on scoring and putting out conditions to humble bowlers as you would like would only serve to further stricken the game.

Any belief otherwise makes you a "numb nuts".

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Re: Nice sport league performance tonight: 403.
« Reply #47 on: May 26, 2006, 03:23:35 PM »
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The one house in my area I know of with that Switch the Shot league is one of the biggest houses in the area.  I think the licensing cost is probably cost prohibitive for smaller centers, even if they did pass the cost on to the bowlers.  If I recall, the cost for the PBA pattern league is also 25 bucks a night.


Heh, I would pay it.  It's different mentality I guess.
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I'd pay it too....if you wanted to bowl on it any other time...it would cost you like $500 for one day.....so $25 a week is fine with me.
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Re: Nice sport league performance tonight: 403.
« Reply #48 on: May 26, 2006, 03:35:21 PM »
Tony C, you say:
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Humbling bowlers is the way to ruin bowling not help it.


This is after sport shots have been said to "humble bowlers". So it would seem that you are saying that Sport shots are ruining bowling.

But then you say:
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I didn't say sport bowling is ruining the game. Get your facts straight OK?


Hmmm...seems like a contradiction.

Then you go on to say:
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My point and evidently your intelligence level won't allow you to comprehend it is that sport bowling is not the answer to bowling's woes. If it was made the standard it would end league bowling as we know it.

So apparently I have been saying that ALL leagues should become sport leagues...but then what about yesterday when I said:
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In my eyes the sport bowling program has done exactly what it set out to do, or at least is on the way to getting there. It is providing an alternative to the easy conditions we are used to, which we can compete on only if we want to.

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If a person wants to go out after work and average 220 not even trying, so be it. Let that be available to them as it is today.

Hmmm....so how am I "taking the fun out of it" again? All I am suggesting is that it is a good idea to have the option open to people who want to participate. No, I am not going up to bowlers in handicap leagues and saying "maybe you should try a sport league". I realize that there are two sides to bowling: A competitive side and a recreational side. I also recognize that the recreational side is the main component of the industry. I myself have a decent amount of experience in the bowling business and I understand that open bowling and handicap leagues are where easily 90% of revenue comes from. Never once do I say that sport bowling is the "answer to bowling's woes". I am not offering sport bowling as a solution to a problem, but as a means of, *gasp* having more fun if the current state of league bowling doesn't hold your interest like it used to.

That is why I am in full support of sport bowling being continued on a voluntary basis. I don't see how the fact that I support an increase in integrity to the game, only for those who care about, makes it viable for you too label me as a "snob", or a "numb nuts" for that matter.

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Re: Nice sport league performance tonight: 403.
« Reply #49 on: May 26, 2006, 04:14:37 PM »
njv29, take my quotes and twist them all you want. I never said sport bowling is ruining bowling. For crying out loud there isn't enough interest in it to have to have any effect on bowling at all. I say for those like you that believe we need it to get some kind of integrety back in the game or make you feel better, it is ridiculous to think it is the answer. You called league bowlers who play on THS, "hack bowlers", you threw down the gauntlet.

You say you have experience in the bowling industry yet you don't even have the balls to enter a profile to list any experience!! I think you're just a soapbox climbing guy that loves to proclaim ideas about something he knows little.

Bowl in all the sport leagues you want, it'll make you feel great about yourself and that is fine. I will keep knowing that all the great bowlers (who can bowl on any shot) and put up all the great scores around the world are bowling on shots other that sport to do it. And, I'm pretty sure they don't need you or I to tell them that they are doing it on a scorable shot. If you had read my first post you would have seen thatI said I believe that the best lane condition is one that if you make a good shot you get rewarded. I didn't say an easy bumper bowling shot. Sport bowling doesn't necessarily reward you for a good shot and thats a fact. That is not what the average bowler wants.

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Re: Nice sport league performance tonight: 403.
« Reply #50 on: May 26, 2006, 04:34:56 PM »
If this is a voting situation...I vote for "numb nuts"..

I don't know if it is accurate but it's just a good sounding description when you are trying to disagree with someone.

Recently I went and bowled on what many sport shots tend to become(start flat and degrade to sort of out of bounds with very little hold area in the middle).

I ended up on my pair with many of the best league bowlers in my area...I think they are fantastic and most of them throw a more powerful ball than me.
As usual on this shot...I ended up 2nd on my pair of 12 bowlers on this shot averaging a little higher than I do in league...my ball picks up power on thsi shot...their powerful shots go a little more wayward!

Not about me...is my intent but frankly these bowlers have much bigger games than mine, I believe they are better bowlers and should kick my butt.  But a sport shot makes smaller games catch up to bigger games!

I remember once going to one of these tournies with the similar flat degrading into reverse block...and a guy on my pair said to me(full roller)...."I've been 3rd...4th and 5th in this tourney(big money) over the years".  After watching his little 8 inch hook on this shot(most other guys were covering 3 feet in the back 15 feet.  I realized and ask him...do you average higher here than in league...his response..."Yes" about 5 to 10 pins.....

He finally had some backend which his style could not generate on regular 40 foot oiled lanes....

That's the problems with this whole sport shot experience...it brings up full rollers and weak hookers and brings down big games into a small area of performance called 190 land!  190 land is yucky and boring and place where "numb nuts" like to live!  A land called frustrating mediocrity...My opinion.

THis post is not intended to insult anyone individual...nor am I calling any specific poster!  I just like to use the word to describe general class of bowlers who LIKE sport bowling and class all of them as "numb nuts"...
As you may note, most of us who like this word used to bowl righty...now we bowl lefty and throw large sweeping slow hooks....We Want the big game...then we would be "Big Nuts!"

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS me no likey bowling better on sport conditions or bowling same...me wantem..."Big Game style play"...every week!
PPS I still love the gradual approach of difficulty proposed by the former Saw the Rack now Darth Stegmaier!....



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Re: Nice sport league performance tonight: 403.
« Reply #51 on: May 26, 2006, 04:50:32 PM »
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That's the problems with this whole sport shot experience...it brings up full rollers and weak hookers and brings down big games into a small area of performance called 190 land!  190 land is yucky and boring and place where "numb nuts" like to live!  A land called frustrating mediocrity...My opinion.



I wish I could average 190.  I am currently in the yuckier land of 150.
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Re: Nice sport league performance tonight: 403.
« Reply #52 on: May 26, 2006, 07:28:10 PM »
I am in the middle of my first attempt at a sport league.
My opinion...I LOVE IT.

It makes me concentrate on every shot:
Where do I stand?
Where do I throw?
How should I release it?
How hard should I throw it?
Which ball should I use?
Did I hit my mark?
Did I hit my breakpoint?

Thgis is the first time it has been offered in our house. To say most folks are lost would be an understatement. Quite a few of them consider themselves good bowlers, too. Not when you take away the wall. I am thoroughly enjoying the challenge. I am doing decent, but I know I can do better. My physical game is pretty good, but I need to grow my mental game. I am all for setting up a sport league to run through the entire winter season.

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