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stopncrank

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Lanes with not alot of backend and some carrydown
« on: March 08, 2013, 11:03:55 AM »
The center I bowl in seems to be not cleaning their backends very well, and in alot of nights I have witnessed several pins sliding to different spots on the pin deck, most noticeably 7 pins sliding towards the 9 pin spot etc...

In talking with a former manager of the center, she said when she was there they hand stripped the backends 3 times a week and never had that problem.

So Im wondering if any here run across this scenerio, and what do you do, as well as what can I do to tackle this as typically I struggle when I dont have backend reaction. I have tried several different balls with different surfaces, and even when the shot breaks down you can watch the ball catch the midlane then layoff on the back.

What do you guys do?
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Re: Lanes with not alot of backend and some carrydown
« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2013, 12:27:09 PM »
Honestly.....Bitch and find a new house.
If that doesn't work, just keep your angles as tight as possible.
Ran into this at a tournament we bowled in.  If you weren't high flush, the the pins would get slid on the deck quite a bit.  To add insult to injury, the pinspotters wouldn't pick the up, so you had to call to have pins respotted every couple of frames.
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Re: Lanes with not alot of backend and some carrydown
« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2013, 12:31:52 PM »
When i get minimum reaction on the back end i move in and play real tight to the pocket.

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Re: Lanes with not alot of backend and some carrydown
« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2013, 12:33:45 PM »
How about putting some surface on a ball?  Moving in will just get you away from the bump to the right...why would you want to make a house shot more like a pba pattern where you don't have the  miss to the right?

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Re: Lanes with not alot of backend and some carrydown
« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2013, 01:18:56 PM »
How about putting some surface on a ball?  Moving in will just get you away from the bump to the right...why would you want to make a house shot more like a pba pattern where you don't have the  miss to the right?

Problem with going with surface is that its not consistent either, one week you will get a decent look with surface, next week it will puke before it gets to the pins. And it seems that anything with surface makes what little miss room I have disappear for the most part.

Mid to lower end stuff with surface wont turn the corner, upper end stuff with surface seems to not corner either. And there is little to no bump on the outside, almost like the oil line is moved to like outside of 5.
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Re: Lanes with not alot of backend and some carrydown
« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2013, 01:32:07 PM »
SNC must be bowling in my home house. It's nothing to see 3 or 4 out of ranges at one look. This week I cornered the lane mechanic. His reply was "should be better this week since I mixed the stripper stronger". Last time this happened the hose that feeds from the stripper tank was kinked in the Ion machine. Apparently this is not an option??? I recommended cleaning the decks by hand, but got a very dirty look!! Playing tight leaves single pins scattered everywhere. Only ones scoring are crankers using charcoal. Us fluffers are hosed.

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Re: Lanes with not alot of backend and some carrydown
« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2013, 01:42:14 PM »
I grew up in a brickhouse. Here's what I used to do. I found that short pin to pap (say 2 inches) with the cg kicked in (So, like a 80x2x55), and a smooth rolling symmetrical core (Ball in this case was a Tidal Wave) with decent surface (Nowadays, maybe 2000 grit) worked great. Started early, got the weight block to lay down, controlling the middle of the lane, and could watch the moves as the night went on. Now, for the nights you need something that gets through the heads, something like a Slingshot or the like, with just a little surface. Weak cover, with a stable roll. In that case I used to use something like 30x5x40 with a hole on the pap. Gets down the lane, and stops at the pocket, rolling through the pocket.

YMMV

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Re: Lanes with not alot of backend and some carrydown
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2013, 11:07:47 AM »
I likes early rolling drilling's that were low flare on a symetrical for the fresher shot and pin up's on the drier shots. think more mid lane roll and slow transitions and forget about swinging it.
my fav's for a house I bowled at with same type of conditions were a qz2 with 2" pin to pap and a L1 Gemstone with 6" pin up. your gonna b stuck in the track for the most part
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Re: Lanes with not alot of backend and some carrydown
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2013, 12:29:17 PM »
This I when I pull out my old particle stuff. Not high loads, but anything with some "mica" or other "additives" that help traction. Particle pearls with a little surface (4000 or 500/polish) help me in these situations. I have a Track Mean Machine and Power Machine that I use depending on how much volume or length there is in the pattern that night.

Another option would be to go much, much straighter at the pocket. Lots of heavy, end-over-end roll will help carry as well. Low end stuff with surface would be good here, IMO.
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Re: Lanes with not alot of backend and some carrydown
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2013, 01:48:23 PM »
This sounds like my house.....

Seems like they are putting allot of oil in the heads of the lanes and after serveral balls it gets pushed down the lane..  Would suggest moving and playing down and end... Yes I said it -- I hate playing that shot because I only have 1 ball designed for that shot... PLAY UP THE BOARDS ABOUT 9 without swinging