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300Lane1

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Bagging
« on: September 29, 2008, 10:23:20 AM »
I know we cover the topic of baggin quite a bit on these forums but the last 4 weeks our Sunday night league has run into the most blatant sandbagger I have ever seen.  This particular bowler finished last season with a 215+ average and even mentioned to me (prior to our first night of bowling) that he is going to “bag” this season just so he can go to our sweeper at the end of the year and rake in all the cash.  Basically he is pissed because he didn’t cash in the sweeper last year.  At first I thought it was a joke, but then started off the season with 470, 460, & 450 series (3 game sets).  Now that is right at a 153 average for 9 games.  Now what I would like to know is how to handle this situation.  This bowler is not injured, is bowling with the same hand as they had last year and if you watch you can watch intentionally missing spares.

I am not the league secretary, but our league secretary regularly wants my input on situations like this.  This time I am speechless.  I personally know the bowler and have bowled with them since they were in Jr’s.

This is where things get interesting.  Last night this bowler goes 300, 258,226=784 series.  Now anyone can tell you that no bowler that actually averages 150, can go off and shoot 784.

I just want some input on this.  It frustrates me since I bowl with everything I have every night and I know situations like this frustrate a lot of bowlers.

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mrbowlingnut

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Re: Bagging
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2008, 06:29:02 PM »
looks like he wants the high handicap series for him and his team, most league's pay for this also.

He is going to break every record there is until called out in public, so might as well do it in public really soon and make him look bad.
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Xcessive_Evil

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Re: Bagging
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2008, 07:38:35 PM »
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This bowler is not injured,


That can easily be changed .

Seriously though, that's really lame.  I really hope you come up with something to be able to stop this.  I feel your pain though.  The house I bowl at, there is a guy that bowls in the"best" league the house has to offer, and his father just so happens to be the one who oils the lanes...
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300Lane1

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Re: Bagging
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2008, 08:07:53 PM »
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looks like he wants the high handicap series for him and his team, most league's pay for this also.

He is going to break every record there is until called out in public, so might as well do it in public really soon and make him look bad.



To be honest I did call him out last night.  I didn’t mention it in my post because after thinking about I’m not sure if I was doing the right thing or just being a $$.  He had the first 3 in the first game and I yelled “It’s going to be tough to average 150 with the front 3”.  He then spouted off with F you he mentioned something about taking it outside but I know for sure he would never want to.  Just a big talker.

So I don’t know if I should just let it be and let him make himself look bad or if I should pursue it further.  

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Soaring Eagle

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Re: Bagging
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2008, 02:59:50 PM »
Maybe you could get a few of your teammates together and have him put his money where his mouth is. If it is money he is after he will not be able to resist the challenge. The amount will need to be pretty high. If he wins you have your proof he is bagging and the league will know it, if he doesn't you come out a little richer and it might shut him up.
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Aloarjr810

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Re: Bagging
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2008, 03:31:15 PM »
You could file a formal complaint, he's violating rule 17a 3.
Establishing an average below the player’s ability to gain an unfair advantage in handicap or classified
competition.
Penalty: Loss of games, prize winnings, league removal (see Rule 115a or 115c), and subject to
suspension from or denial of USBC membership.

Also possibly rule
17b. Improper Conduct
An individual can also be charged with the following violation(s):
1. Engaging in improper tactics or conduct in connection with the game of bowling including, but not limited
to, physical and verbal abuse toward other persons.
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If you haven't set rules for the sweeper yet. set the entering ave to last yrs. ave's. or make the entering ave a composite of last years and this years ave's.


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rackattack

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Re: Bagging
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2008, 08:25:27 PM »
We have a ten pin rule.For the first 30 games a bowler cannot drop more than 10 pins below his incoming average for handicap purpose.

That means this bowler is averaging 150 but the team must carry him at 205(215-10) for the first 10 weeks.His team mates will not be happy about a 55 pin per game disadvantage and will hopefully show the guy his error in thinking.

Of course if he is really struggling he is free to plead his case to the league committee to have the rule waved.

You may want to call a captain's meeting to institute such a rule. After all if no one is abusing the system who would object.
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Hogsharley

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Re: Bagging
« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2008, 08:43:31 PM »
Usually baggers will never admit to it because they would be in violation of the rules mentioned above. Did anyone else hear him say that he was going to sandbag? This would collaborate your story. I would go to the president and make a foraml complaint. He the pres doesn't do anything, you can call your local chapter.
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