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Jay

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Balance/Approach
« on: March 20, 2010, 08:06:36 AM »
I had a lesson yesterday and my coach told me my main area of concern is that I basically don't use my legs enough and I use my body too much.  He said my push away and swing are consistent and good.  I don't really force the downswing  My timing is good but I fall off balance(and possibly have other problems) because instead of driving forward with my legs and body(or even if I try with my legs), a lot of the time my upper body dips down to the right.  It doesn't seem to help when I throw the trail leg over a certan way either.

I don't think I've always done this which kind of confuses me because I haven't always been the best at using my legs either.  I'm over 6'0 so I almost feel like that's contributing to it because maybe I'm trying to get my release closer to the ground that way.  I'm wondering if there's any mental tips to help keep my body from doing this, or if there's possibly something else triggering it.  I'm playing around with 4-5-6 steps and where I stand on the approach trying to find my sweet spot too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zr46nlp7PdY - This is just to try an show what my body is doing as I go to release the ball.
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Re: Balance/Approach
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2010, 05:02:51 PM »
One thing I notice is that on your slide step, you don't bring your foot inside nearer to your center of gravity. It's going to be real hard to balance if your not under the center of your body. You have a 15+ lb ball on your right side, and should use your trail leg to counterbalance that weight. Without your slide being centered under your body, even that trail leg may not fully counteract the weight and momentum of the bowling ball on the other side. My suggestion would be to move your slide step right a few inches. That will put it under your CG. Form looks smooth other than that. This is just my opinion. Let's see what other people think.
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Re: Balance/Approach
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2010, 05:13:51 PM »
I kinda noticed that too, and I've tried to step in before.  I almost always end up hitting my ankle, I think it's because the ball is already not far from it.  There a some shots that I actually feel the ball brush my ankle.  I think I have to fix the upper body thing before stepping in is an option.
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Re: Balance/Approach
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2010, 05:22:50 PM »
Take a look at this article. It goes into more depth.

http://www.bowl4fun.com/ron/tip25.htm
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Re: Balance/Approach
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2010, 05:26:23 PM »
I have read it two or three times before, I'll take another look.
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Re: Balance/Approach
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2010, 05:27:42 PM »
It may take a few practice sessions to get it right, your muscle memory is going to take over or at least try to keep things how your used to. I think your hitting your ankle because your swing is subconsciously trying to bring the ball closer to your ankle that's normally further left. It's used to your slide step being further left, and when you shift it right, you may be still bringing the ball to the spot you normally throw it. It's extremely hard to correct muscle memory, so it won't be easy, but like I said, that's my opinion. There's not going to an instant one fix cure.
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Re: Balance/Approach
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2010, 12:44:44 PM »
Hi Justin,
Here are a few things to consider.  KingPin mentioned that your slide foot is not in your center of gravity, which is one thing.  There are probably a few things causing this.
I tried to evaluate your video a little and here are a few things to work on.  Your non-throwing arm is doing nothing.  Have a look at some good bowlers or PBA pros, you'll find that the other arm plays a role in balance.  Kind of like a tight rope walker, always uses 2 arms outstretched to balance themselves.  
If you pause the video at your delivery, you will find your whole upper body shifted to the right.  That makes it very difficult to be balanced...and have leverage.  Your head should be just to the right of your slight foot.

Watch this video of the 2009 US Open.  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_eHiHDbQLI
At around 2:30, you will see one of my favorite deliveries from Richie Wolfe.  

A couple of things to highlight:  
1. watch what his non-bowling arm does.  It will be equal and opposite of the non-bowling arm, i.e., the higher your back swing is, the lower the opposite arm is, and vice versa.  But it is more or less stretched out.
2. Watch where his head is in relation to his slide foot.  It's just slightly to the left (he's a lefty).  So you're spine should be a little more aligned.
I won't go as far as to make it straight up and down as this is more from the classic days.
3. One of my favorite parts is what his back leg is doing.  Watch how he keeps it outstretched and on the ground.  He is perfectly balanced.  This is some thing I suggest do look at.

Of course, if you have a coach, you will certainly get differing opinions so you need to trust what you're coach is trying to teach you.  This is hopefully supplemental and not in conflict.

You can also have a look at my article and coaching video exactly about this topic of leverage, upper body vs lower body.
http://tamerbowling.com/index.php/where-do-you-get-leverage-from/

Good Luck!

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Re: Balance/Approach
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2010, 08:00:20 PM »
Thanks for your post.  FYI, I was the one who said I liked physical game tips for your site and mentioned the leverage article, so I had already read it.  I thought I was using my balance arm somewhat correctly, but you're right it's not really doing much for the majority of my approach.  So I will try to work on extending it.  

The coach said to focus on moving forward(using the legs) as opposed to tilting over.  A lot easier said than done but maybe the balance arm tip will help.  It didn't seem like he thought there was much of a trigger for what I'm doing, just that I should stop doing it.  He didn't address any other possible issues in my approach, I do a couple things different now compared to the video but I don't think it's much.  All the stuff I mentioned in the first post that was good, came from him.
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Re: Balance/Approach
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2010, 09:12:34 PM »
Mo Pinel, looked at one of my videos and told me that I shouldn't keep my non-sliding foot up in the air, because it causes people to hit up on the ball...but outside of PBIII I can't think of any pro that keeps their non-slide foot on the ground.
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Re: Balance/Approach
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2010, 09:48:35 PM »
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Re: Balance/Approach
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2010, 10:03:27 PM »
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Maybe if Duke was trying to accomplish something specific, but if you look on YouTube the majority of the time his non-slide foot is in the air but more perpendicular rather than parallel to the foul line. I've never seen Machuga drop is non-slide foot. The only one I can think of is most lady professionals and PBIII.

Doesn't really matter, I just hadn't ever heard anyone make this observation. I tried it once and lit up my ankle.
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Re: Balance/Approach
« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2010, 01:25:27 PM »
Thanks Justin.
I will add that I know the video I referenced also shows Chris Barnes NOT keeping his trailing leg on the ground.  I still recommend trying to keep it down, as MototGP69 mentioned Mo Pinel recommends also.
I will just say it again, there are a lot of pro bowlers that as coaches, we wouldn't go out of our way to recommend that particular style.  It works for them but we (most of us) are not out on tour making a living on this.
As I said, I like Richie Wolfe's game, but more recognizable bowlers who have more "classic" style include Brian Voss and Norm Duke.  Patrick Allen and Mike Machuga are up and comers who have strong fundamentals.  I know Patrick Allen 'walks around the ball' to stay aligned, which does look a little strange but works for him.

Try to keep your shoulders not tilted down towards the floor and square to the foul line.  Imagine putting a broomstick across your chest.  It should be more or less parallel with the foul line at the release.

If all else fails, work those legs!  I mean lift some weights  People underestimate what leg strength does for your game.
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Re: Balance/Approach
« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2010, 02:42:40 PM »
Don''t worry about what anyone else does including the pros. I agree with the non bowling arm thing, use it to help your balance. When you release the ball you should be able to balance on your slide foot without falling over. You might also try starting your approach with your knees bent, it will get you lower at the start. Good luck with your game.
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Re: Balance/Approach
« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2010, 04:25:43 PM »
In my experience what my trail leg does is pretty much a direct result of what I do at release(and maybe before it).  I use my trail leg as a guide for what went wrong in a shot, if it goes too far over or way in the air that's not good, if it stays more behind me and even if it's off the ground a little it's not too bad usually.  I do admire Richie Wolfe's game a little bit, there's not really much about his game I would mind doing.

I will have to work on staying more vertical(from behind view) and using my non-bowling arm more.  Hopefully by putting more emphasis on my legs and the latter, the upper body will be much easier to correct.
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Re: Balance/Approach
« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2010, 11:18:22 PM »
So I''''ve been watching Richie Wolfe a little more and I''''m trying to learn what I''''m supposed to do through that.  I know some people said not to really worry about what others are doing but trying to learn from the best seems logical.  I think I''''m having a little more success with the balance arm out to the left, keeping my balance a little more.  But other times I''''m still doing the horrific dip.  I''''ve also taken on Richie''''s method of push away, which in my opinion is different from others.

My question is, is there a certain rhythym that I should be trying to achieve?  I can make myself have a 1.2..1.2 type of rhythm or I can do a normal walk(sort of) for the first few steps.  I''''ve done both good and bad either way, the first way I think gives me more power at the cost of consistency/accuracy(I think I feel more unstable and out of control).  I feel like I lack some of that speed with the "walk" method, but I''''m more consistent.  These are just initial impressions but I''''d like some thoughts on that.  Also I''''m wondering if I should make an attempt to take a shorter second-to-last step, although I think the 1.2..1.2 cadence has that built in.  I get mixed results with that as well, but thoughts are welcome.
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