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arashi300

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ball advice...
« on: October 19, 2007, 10:49:05 PM »
Lefty, stroker med. revs and speed about 18 mph.
Arsenal:
The One
TNV
Fury (doesn't hook much)
Hawg

Problem:
I bowl here in Japan and they tend to lay a heavier pattern for lefties.  All the tournaments that I have bowled in they have laid out a longer pattern on the left and shorter on the right according to their oil pattern sheet they post.  This makes me play a lot straighter, slower and with a lot of forward roll.  It doesn't work for me.  So I am looking for a ball that can battle the heavier, longer patterns that I get to bowl on.  The pro shop that I go to now has a Secret Agent, Roto Grip Quest, Black Widow and Anger.  Which one should I choose?

Thanks in advance...

 

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Re: ball advice...
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2007, 07:32:25 AM »
I think you are in trouble expecting to find a ball that will hook for you if your Fury and Hawg don't.  Before buying a new ball I'd play with the surfaces on a few of the ones you have already.  

If you are going to get a new ball the first thing I'd look at is how the current equipment fails to react.  Is it not hooking soon enough or is it hooking but not sharp enough at the end?  If it isn't soon enough, by going to a layout with the pin in the center of the grip you can get it to start into a roll much sooner, but you will probably create a shot with a gentle curve for a ball path.  Trouble is if you choose a ball and layout for a snappier backend reaction that promotes skid first, with your longer oil it may skid right through the pin deck waiting to find enough dry to move.  

If your old equipment is just plain worn out then a new ball will do wonders but the stuff you list in your arsenal is all fairly new so unless you bowl a lot it should still be serviceable.  I really don't think any of the balls you list as at the pro shop will be that much of an improvement over what you already have.

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« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2007, 11:28:59 AM »
None of the balls you mentioned will be stronger in oil than what you already have.  There are some that are substantionaly stronger, but they might not be available where you are.  Your "arsenal" for tournaments looks weak as it is.  Two strong arcing balls and two medium oil very flippy balls.  You definitely need more variety.  But to the question you asked...

How many games are on the Hawg and Fury, and what are their drilling's and surface prep?  Don't forget, bowling on oil is about getting the ball into a strong roll near the pocket, not hooking a bunch.  If some one's hooking the lane, you're not on heavy oil.  Your oil balls (Hawg/Fury) might just need a good cleaning, a deoiling, and a fresh resurface and dull surface.  After doing so, keep them for tournament heavy oil.  Don't waste a fresh oiler on a league shot which will just make you refresh them more often.
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Re: ball advice...
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2007, 09:17:49 PM »
Thanks for the replies.  As for surface prep, I have tried various surfaces for the Fury and Hawg and they are at 500 now for oil.  The Hawg seems best for oil right now but still have to play it tight.  

Strider, you mentioned that I needed more variety, so what do you suggest?  I do have equipment for drier lanes, but have not used them in any of the tournaments that I have bowled in.




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« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2007, 09:51:35 PM »
As long as you have something for lighter oil, you're fine.  If you don't see many longer format tournaments, you might not need much for light oil, especially on the left side.  I just see too many people with four strong balls and call it an arsenal.  That's fine if you're on a house shot, but trouble if you see flatter patterns.  You're two medium oil balls - The One and Total NV are very strong off the break.  I'd consider adding a nice control ball that's smoother over the whole lane.  Something like a Sidewinder, Rival, Jolt, Horizon...

Do either of your oil balls have a bunch of games on them?  A thorough deoiling can make a huge difference on today's sponge like covers.
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« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2007, 05:45:27 AM »
Not many games (got back into bowling this Jan.) and they are taken care of religously.  Monthly they get the CnD treatment and cleaned after each set.  

I would still like to add another strong ball for heavy oil.  Any suggestions?

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« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2007, 06:13:53 AM »
Personally, I'd go with the Anger with a low pin 4-4 1/2 from pap and if an x-hole was needed I'd place it down my VAL. This should start the ball up fairly early and make it have a very strong hard arc.  Though, I can't see it being able to handle more oil than the Fury or Hawg.

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« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2007, 10:46:26 AM »
Like I alluded to earlier, the ones you mentioned won't handle more oil than what you already have.  If you want something stronger, look at the Brunswick Mammoth, Columbia Resurgence, MoRich LevRG, or Visionary Centaur AMB Particle (my choice).  Legends/Lanemasters probably have a good choice or two, but I don't know their line well enough to suggest anything.  I don't know what is available to you, but if you're going to spend some bucks on a new ball, make sure it will be what you need.
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« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2007, 03:17:35 AM »
Strider,

I ended up getting a Resurgence for heavy oil and it works!  I have no problems in oil like I did in the past.  Bowled in a tournament today with the Resurgence and shot a 181, 210, 235 and a 266.  Thank you for taking the time to give advice when it was asked.  I finally had a lot of fun bowling in a tournament.  Thank you.

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« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2007, 12:26:02 PM »
out of the ones you listed, anger I think would be the best or black widow. Not sure about roto grip never used their stuff and secret agent is not what I would consider a heavy oil ball. Really what you need is a very dull ball with lots of roll in the mid lane if you are playing on a long pattern. The black widow and secret agent balls are go long and come back strong on the backend.
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