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TTforshort

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Lost $800 on a 10 pin
« on: March 30, 2007, 12:57:33 AM »
Last night was the playoff for our mixed league. This is a match play scoring league with 21 points allowed in a series. As we began the 3 team playoff, the secretary pointed out the scoring for the playoff was the same as regular league scoring.  I quickly pointed out that the USBC rule 113b (1c) stated that when more than two teams were in a playoff, total pins would decide the winner. He ran off in a frenzy. When returned red faced, he angrily stated I was right.

The shot last night was a little oiler than normal. Our lead off bowler was sick so we pulled in a sub. For the night,I was +30. My wife was +50. The leadoff and our anchor were both about -40.

To make a long story short, we lost to a team with the most handicap. With the extra oil on the lanes, their plastic, down the middle prevailed. Most of the winning team bowled some where around +20 for the night.

To add insult to injury, we lost total pins by 1 pin. The winning team received $1600. We got $800 for the night but it was tainted by the house shot, which is difficult to start with, being slicker.

The outcome of the playoff would have been very different had I picked up one of the three 10 pins I whiffed. While we had extra oil in the middle, the backends were dry. My White Dot was moving 5 boards in the last 10 feet. I couldn't swing it because the oil pattern put it in the ditch. Straight up the the twig, the WD hit near the pocket. Standing 25 and targeting the 15 board was the shot but I just was off a board or two and couldn't find the right board.

I hope I learned a lesson last night. Both of my other two teams will also be in the playoffs. I will not lose again by a 10 pin.


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Re: Lost $800 on a 10 pin
« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2007, 05:10:52 PM »
All I'm gonna say is that it's a lot easier for a 170 average to shoot 220 than it is for a 220 average to shoot 270 . .
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Re: Lost $800 on a 10 pin
« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2007, 09:52:06 PM »
The resaon for handicaps is very simple if you don't the same high average teams win. Wasn't is stated by the the former ABC using statistical data that until you get to 107-109% handicap the higher average guy still had the advantage. I never blame losing on handicap. Either you didn't bowl well enough to win or you got outbowled. No tissues here. Some days the mosquito, somedays the windshield. Bowling scratch leagues, sorry in my area you have to travel past 3 houses to find one that has a scratch league. Thats about an extra 40-45 minutes each way for most so thats why they don't join.
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Re: Lost $800 on a 10 pin
« Reply #18 on: March 31, 2007, 01:57:58 AM »
quote:

Is there handicap in any high school sports ?

Junior high sports ?

What about little league ?!?!?!

Pick-up games at a local park ??

NO !!!

Why does ADULT bowlers need handicap ? LOL

Almost makes you laugh to think about it


incorrect, in friendly games where you know team b has no chance against team a there are ways we handicap starting as kids in pickup games. Hey guys take the extra player, or player x has to play one handed, Jimmy the giant can only play quarterback, we'll give ya some extra points. That is if you were raised to want sporting activities to be any kind of challenge.

Sports are all handicapped, it's called divisions. Just like bowling in one division there's handicap and the other there isn't. And as with all sports if you find yourself playing around in the wrong divinsion bad things can happen. Now bowling, golf, and horseracing do handicap differently such that a stronger competitor moving down can get beaten more easily in the actual match (that dirty competition thing I know it's a tough concept to grasp for some)...but then why if you are serious about competiting would you want to play at a level below you?  By the same token the handicap system doesn't LOCK OUT the higher skilled, it just makes them show up as the possibility of embarassment is there. But then other sports playing in the wrong division have their own risks, as the lower division team typicaly takes it a bit more serious higher division takes it lightly and that's when injuries (or upsets) happen. You could go even further and look at the gambling side of sports handicapping where even if your team wins and doesn't win by enough you as the gambler still lose, so in some realms even in same division/same level competition mismatches are realized and attempts to compensate can exist.

Moral is play within your own division problem solved, if you complain about the lack of scratch bowlers well then topics on the decline of bowling and it's popularity aren't scarce and you can voice your concerns where they fit in. If your only goal is to collect wins no matter how easy they come, then I'm sure you want all the 170 bowlers to come donate points/money to your scratch league and you probably also like everything on walled up house shots as well.  

For every week a 170 bowler could pull his crap together and shoot over 600 by running 200+ every game, there's many weeks he'd be donating points to people over the cap. Typically if 170 shoots 6 or near it it's one great game one good game, and one average game and that's a good week. So realisticly one game he'd blow you out, one game you'd win, and the other game it would likely be a tossup with you having to shoot over average but still in the realm of doable. So based on the way our leagues score that would be 1 point each, 2 points to be decided as pin total would determine how badly you beat his brains in on your gimmie win. Sounds competitive to me.

 Why go with 100% anyways, if you had this blowout problem regularly (I highly doubt it) go to a league with a lower percentage. The rural house I bowl in it's 80% of 200 in every league and typically works fine considering the conditions we bowl on and the averages of bowlers on the house shot (put it this way the last 300 was shot many years ago, been a while since I checked the plaque but I'm pretty sure it was in the 90's..700 series are still talked about some when they happen). At 80% the handicapped bowler has to overcome that additional gap before he's beating an above handicap bowler that's maintaining his average, it's a way to extend the 1 "lucky shot" changing the outcome into them throwing more than likely a good game (for them) to win.

Handicap is about making things competitive and leveling the playing field typically week in and week out it does what it's supposed to do, barring leagues that have trouble with sandbaggers (that's a whole other topic and the fault of sorry people not necessarily the system).

Nevermind the fact that during most of these leagues (as in the case of the op) it's a TEAM. One bowler doesn't beat you, sure he can make your life difficult and make you work, but 1 guy doing awesome is counterbalanced by how the rest of his team does and the fact THAT total is what your team shoots against. 4 170's all shooting 600's in the same series...I highly doubt it and if it happens tell them to go buy a lottery ticket.

Not sure how this topic made a quantum leap about the op blaming a missed 10 pin on a loss (I doubt that was the only reason unless the rest of his team went 300 and lost, plenty of improvements to be made all over the scorecard I imagine...a combined -80 by two members comes to mind) to the merits of a handicapping system. By my reading the OP's team could have been the SECOND highest handicapped team in the league since it was never stated.
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