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J_Mac

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Inverting cores... what's it do?
« on: June 20, 2004, 12:59:03 AM »
On the new Bullet from Lane #1 you'll see a core shape that was last used in the Viper.  Only difference being its been inverted.  I have also noticed the same thing with the RAD3 cores from Storm.  The Fear Factor has the original, but the Triple X and Triple Xtreme have an inverted version of the RAD3.  I'm sure I could find more examples, but I'll get to the point.  

What kind of influence on ball reaction does inverting the core have?
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TheBowlingKid25

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Re: Inverting cores... what's it do?
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2004, 04:20:14 PM »
I think it mainly just gives it a different shape reaction is all. What Im curious about is what would happen is you drilled a ball upside down! Like with the pin on the bottom, not up near your hand.
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Re: Inverting cores... what's it do?
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2004, 04:40:19 PM »
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What Im curious about is what would happen is you drilled a ball upside down! Like with the pin on the bottom, not up near your hand.
 


I think you'd basically turn top weight into bottom weight, which would cause the ball to begin rolling earlier.  It would also tend to reduce back end.
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Re: Inverting cores... what's it do?
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2004, 05:16:42 PM »
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I think it mainly just gives it a different shape reaction is all. What Im curious about is what would happen is you drilled a ball upside down! Like with the pin on the bottom, not up near your hand.
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You would end up with a bad ball.  Remember, you are starting with 3 to 5 oz of top weight.  You would be putting all that weight on the bottom of the ball.

Add in the 2 to 3 oz of weight you would be drilling out of the ball, leaves you with 5-6 oz of bottom weight.
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Re: Inverting cores... what's it do?
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2004, 05:28:46 PM »
storm dose this a lot. but they also play with the densities also.

I guessing here but on symmetrical core ball. not much of anything. maybe depending on the drilling.

By what I have drilled in the past with my favorite layout 5 x 3.

If I take a ball that has higher density near the pin and place the pin high I get a stronger angular read in the back and more arc with a the core density in the lower half of the ball.

I can achieve the same reaction on each ball  by placing the pin below the fingers on the first (arc) and moving the pin 3 to 4" higher with second ball(flip).

they may have a slight difference in look and for the people that build arsenals to move 2 boards or  2 feet different then the ball next in the bag may care more.


it is something that manufactures can do to create revenue based on old technology. it's more about marketing and sales generation than anything else.

so in the end belive what you want but I'm pretty sure you can place 100 of the similar symmetrical cores with any oreentation in the same shell with no labels and they are going to be about the same when drilled for the right reaction. like drill them all for arc. the patterns may range from 5 x 3 to 4 x 6 etc...


the shell is the factor that matters the most. a flip block or no flip block is going to make bigger difference when you take into account the RG and Diff.

a high RG ball is going to get more length than a low RG ball. A decent flip block will be more angular than the last.


given all things as equals; lane oil, length of oil, revs,speed etc... the balls shell is still the biggest factor.

the only time I ever noticed a core playing a bigger role is a strong MB ball.
now I also belive that they are still on the context of the shell limitations. but it's getting close to where the core is at least equal.

about 4 -6 months ago I wrote up a little comparasion between to track Unleashed I had. now mind you, I didn't try and span the whole spectrum with 2 balls but I did noticed that on the same condition and shell surface the core could completely change the reaction of the ball.

I have had two of the same type balls in symetrical with the core flipped( storms) before and it was not that different in retrospect. when I first did it, The few feet difference was a big deal but since then I learned to bowl and I can make the ball do that with adjustment.


so, long rambling incoherent answer short.. not that big of a deal if you have a good driller and know what you want the ball to do.
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Brickguy221

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Re: Inverting cores... what's it do?
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2004, 05:45:11 PM »
I recently asked Kevin Mitchell of Storm why the Triple X and Depth Charge had inverted cores, and I don't remember for sure, but I think he said something about it helping the ball rev up in mid lane better, but don't hold me to that as I am not sure that is what he said........I'm sure Jabroni or Mike Austin either one can answer the question.

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