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howler031

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Ball closest to Original Columbia 300 Rival
« on: July 01, 2014, 02:41:41 PM »
Does anyone know what current ball out today would be most similar to the old Columbia 300 rival (the original blue)? I absolutely loved that ball.  It was drilled with pin beside the ring finger and MB slightly kicked out. I haven't found any ball similar since.  Any thoughts?  Or, additionally, any other balls the would be similar with a different drilling?  Thanks in advance!

 

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Re: Ball closest to Original Columbia 300 Rival
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2014, 03:08:38 PM »
I'm still looking for a ball like the Rival, based on what I'm seeing, I would say possibly a Blur Solid, or maybe a smack-down...   My thought is the smack-down may be stronger
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Re: Ball closest to Original Columbia 300 Rival
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2014, 03:16:40 PM »
I think the Smack Down is probably stronger than the Rival was. I would probably look at the Blur Hybrid maybe the Solid

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Re: Ball closest to Original Columbia 300 Rival
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2014, 03:30:42 PM »
Numbers wise the only thing I've seen really close was the Arson Hybrid.  The Blurs have a higher RG than the Rival had.

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Re: Ball closest to Original Columbia 300 Rival
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2014, 04:44:55 PM »
I will tell you from experience with the arson hybrid, it's not even close to what the rival was.  I drilled it thinking the same thing u did and it did not impress me
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Re: Ball closest to Original Columbia 300 Rival
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2014, 04:50:14 PM »
Numbers wise the only thing I've seen really close was the Arson Hybrid.  The Blurs have a higher RG than the Rival had.
Even though the Blurs have the higher rg you have to take in account the stronger covers

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Re: Ball closest to Original Columbia 300 Rival
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2014, 05:52:40 PM »
The Smack down today is equivalent to the strength of Rival when it came out 8 years ago.

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Re: Ball closest to Original Columbia 300 Rival
« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2014, 10:06:36 AM »
Thanks for the info.  I really appreciate it!  One thing that always impressed me about the ball was its ability to consistently carry half pocket hits.  Do you feel that the smack down has that same kind of reaction?

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Re: Ball closest to Original Columbia 300 Rival
« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2014, 08:49:25 PM »
I'd go with the Disorder! The core numbers are almost identical with a low rg, mid diff core. They are both symmetrical cored balls and the covers will be the major difference and both were for medium to medium/heavy lanes. Just my $.02, Bruce
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Re: Ball closest to Original Columbia 300 Rival
« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2014, 06:48:22 AM »
Theyre both worth looking into.  Just to be clear as well, I've had balls from many manufacturers and I'm not really committed to one.  So this could be with anybody, not you just c300.  If that sways anyone's opinion.  Thanks folks!

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Re: Ball closest to Original Columbia 300 Rival
« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2014, 08:21:24 AM »
OK,  I think the key thing in the Rival was the wide core in the middle with the tapered top and bottom, very similar to the diamond cores from Lane #1.  Great balls on the league conditions of the times.

Another core shape that reminds me of the Rival Core is the balls in the Revolver series from Brunswick.  I have the Loaded Revolver sort of pearl, though I love the shape of the core, it is really a slow response coverstock that responds too slow in my house.  On a highly reactive properly stripped or super stripped back end house I used it and if I had used it earlier I would have been going to Vegas to bowl for $50K a year or two ago!  I have seen others with better reaction on this ball either sanded or pin down.  I have done neither!

The Lethal Revolver solid might be better but I have not seen it live.

If your house has the typical wetter oils of today with a typical amount of carrydown  I think a faster response coverstock as recommended for the Disorder or the Smack Down might be a great answer!  The Disorder has the closer numbers.  Lower RG and less Diff than the Smackdown.

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Re: Ball closest to Original Columbia 300 Rival
« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2014, 11:03:23 AM »
Eruption Pro 4000 grit sanded will deliver what you are seeking.

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Re: Ball closest to Original Columbia 300 Rival
« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2014, 11:17:34 AM »
I'd go with the Disorder! The core numbers are almost identical with a low rg, mid diff core. They are both symmetrical cored balls and the covers will be the major difference and both were for medium to medium/heavy lanes. Just my $.02, Bruce

I didn't even think about the Disorder, that could actually be very close with maybe a cover tweak

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Re: Ball closest to Original Columbia 300 Rival
« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2014, 12:25:23 PM »
Actually, you might be right about the disorder.  I'll admit that didn't occur to me either.  Watching the roll in some of the videos it does look eerily similar.  nice call! I'm thinking it might need a touch of polish to match closer.  It would likely burn off too much energy in the dull OOB condition.

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Re: Ball closest to Original Columbia 300 Rival
« Reply #14 on: July 03, 2014, 02:02:27 PM »
the disorder is a very underrated piece
1 of the best balls in the EBI lline-up IMO
at OBB its 200 dull, currently have some polish over that and the pin in the middle finger which gives me a 5"pin-pap
awesome predictable piece, carry's the light hits quite well
i prefer the black eruption pro to the orange one, its a bit longer and 2-3 stronger off the spot