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Having a small debate on another site.  I had made a comment about a new ball having a bad sounding name, bland colors, and an average at best logo and that I'd have trouble selling it, which I think I would.  I had several people come to its defense, and they did have some good points, but only from the perspective of the higher average bowler that considers performance above all else.  Obviously I would argue that performance matters most, but for 90-95% of bowlers who aren't your 220+ averages, color, name, and how the ball looks is about all that matters to them.  If it looks cool, sounds cool, or smells cool, they're buying it over something that may work a lot better for them.  Maybe we just have a funky market here too, and that's partially what I'm trying to figure out, I'm not fishing for support.  All I know is that we sell TONS of Motiv stuff over other companies that perform just as well in our area.  Venom Toxins are flying off the shelf, but we can't sell a First Blood.  Just looking for opinions, thanks everybody. 
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Re: Ball color, name, and logo. Does it factor into your purchase decision?
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2013, 10:45:56 AM »
I can only speak for myself....but I have never taken into account the name, color, logo of a ball. Everytime I bought a new ball, whether it was when I was in high school till now, it was based on the performance of the ball. Now, it was a bonus of the ball looked cool going down the lane, but it never played into if I would get it or not. For me the "uglier" a ball looked, the better it seemed to work for me. A perfect example was Nu-Line's follow-up to the Excaliber, the Genisis. It was an ugly gold colored ball, but first night with it I shot 289 (with a solid 8 pin no less) and over 1000 for a 4 game set.
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Re: Ball color, name, and logo. Does it factor into your purchase decision?
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2013, 11:47:20 AM »
I recommend to pay no attention to appearance when selecting a ball, but instead my customers don't pay any attention to me!!  --  JohnP

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Re: Ball color, name, and logo. Does it factor into your purchase decision?
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2013, 12:04:29 PM »
Personally, yes and no.

I prefer more solid looking colors, though I will occasionally throw a "swirly" piece (think some of the Track pieces) if it seems to be a homerun for multiple styles.

I've noticed on equipment like my DV8 Diva (which is my most colorful ball) I tend to watch the ball and its color pattern as opposed to noting the ball motion.  I think it is easier to watch ball motion with a solid color ball.  I always have black grips and a slug to minimize seeing the grips rotate.

I DO NOT believe that color swirls etc really have much of an effect on ball motion.  Keeping the colors relatively solid is just a PREFERENCE.  I would never advise anyone to purchase based on color alone.  With the number of pieces on the market today, I can create a full arsenal based upon the more solid colors I prefer.
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Re: Ball color, name, and logo. Does it factor into your purchase decision?
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2013, 12:25:16 PM »
I would say the answer is, absolutely. Now there are advanced people, mostly the ones who visit boards such as this, who would and will argue otherwise. And the debate here will likely seem one-sided, but for a much larger percentage, those elements most definitely come in to play.

Some may argue that this is a ridiculous method for choosing your bowling ball. And I would agree...if they were the only criteria at play. But with the glut of balls on and entering the market, there is much overlap in performance. Again, a small percentage will say there are still subtle but important differences among balls. And I would likely agree. But again, for most people, these subtle differences don't come into play. What they know is that they are looking for a hybrid, for medium-heavy, low RG, high diff. (And those last two may not enter the equation.) So for those people "all things being equal", they'll go with the cool color/name/logo.

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Re: Ball color, name, and logo. Does it factor into your purchase decision?
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2013, 01:01:10 PM »
If I truly need a new ball, I will buy the one that I think will fit my needs the best.  I am over 220 average.  That being said, If I think I will need a ball in the next few months and a real nice looking ball comes out that will probably fill a need in the next few months, I will buy it.  If an poor/average looking ball comes out and it may fit a need, I will hold off hoping for a better looking ball.
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Re: Ball color, name, and logo. Does it factor into your purchase decision?
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2013, 01:24:23 PM »
Balls I need: NO
Balls I want: YES

They all do the same D*mn thing anyways lol.  It really comes down to color or name etc.
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Re: Ball color, name, and logo. Does it factor into your purchase decision?
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2013, 02:27:30 PM »
No, I could not care less. However, I do prefer darker balls and I ALWAYS use black slugs and no grips (off the press). This is the snob in me, but guys that use balls with colored grips and slugs make me take them less serious as its just a "sloppy" look to me.
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Re: Ball color, name, and logo. Does it factor into your purchase decision?
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2013, 02:48:10 PM »
Me too . . but it's easier to read ball reaction without all the distractions.  If you've got swirly colors and grips flying everywhere, you could miss the little jump or wiggle at 30 feet and pay for it next time . .

No, I could not care less. However, I do prefer darker balls and I ALWAYS use black slugs and no grips (off the press). This is the snob in me, but guys that use balls with colored grips and slugs make me take them less serious as its just a "sloppy" look to me.
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Re: Ball color, name, and logo. Does it factor into your purchase decision?
« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2013, 03:00:20 PM »
Personally, for me it would come down to performance first, then any other eye candy. Two stories from me.

In 1992, Resin came out, and everyone flocked to either the Brunswick Rhino Pro, Nu-Line's Excalibur, or Ebonite's Turbo X. I went with the latter two, mainly based on how they performed on the lane, then the colour. Those wiped the pants off of my Blue and Blue Pearl Hammers. Then roughly 9 months later, everyone flocked to Ebonite's Crush/R. I didn't. The ball performed nice, but I didn't like the colour. It just wasn't me. Since then, Storm came out with both Sun Storms (one of which was the same colour as the Crush/R), 2 different Rhino Pros, The Rhino RE, and Columbia's Beast all came out. None of them appealed to me as far as performance or look went. Then Ebonite brought out the Nitro/R. That colour popped, and the performance on that ball sold me on it.

Same thing pretty much with Columbia's Pearl Quake and Blue Pearl Pulse. The latter reminded me of the colours of my Blue Pearl Hammer, so I ended up buying that one more for colour. Should have known better, but I did, and it still worked for me.

That was 1996/1997. Fast forward 4 years. Looked at Columbia's Tour Boss. Liked the blue colour, but didn't perform well. Zones didn't appeal to me. Ebonite's Omega looked terrible. Matrix was meh.. Apex was meh. they just didn't perform as well as I was needing for my game.

Then the Optyx came out. That brought back the eye candy that the Gold Rhino Pro and Pearl Quake had, and hit like a truck. Picked that up immediately. Same with the TPC Warrior. Loved the colouring on it, and it performed unbelievably well. Still have those two in a couple of my joeys to this day.

So for me, it isn't name. Case in point: Mission X. Didn't work well at all. Pursuit and Pursuit S.. not good at all. Nice colours, but not good. If the ball performs well, it gets my attention. If it performs well enough for my game, I'll get it. I get cocky if it performs well, goes great with my game, and is eye candy to top it off.



Me too . . but it's easier to read ball reaction without all the distractions.  If you've got swirly colors and grips flying everywhere, you could miss the little jump or wiggle at 30 feet and pay for it next time . .

The only thing I can say that argues the other side of this, is that if someone is looking for ball motion in relation to where their grips are down the lane, tilt, etc., having grips that you can see could help. But my limit with that is to at least make the grips the same colour as the lettering of the logo or name on the ball. I mean, at least have some sense of aesthetics!  :o

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Re: Ball color, name, and logo. Does it factor into your purchase decision?
« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2013, 03:05:24 PM »
For me for example, when I got my slingshot for drier lanes, I picked the colors that looked the coolest since it had no bearing on reaction.

I think you will find that if a person is bothering to look at pin positions, diffs, RG etc, they probably don't use color as an important determining factor.

However, here's the key from a marketing standpoint.  A lot of ball sales happen from watching someone else throw a ball in league.  So what is going to catch you eye?

Robert Smith can throw the ball, but if you are 4 pair away and it is a versa max, it just looks like a solid black blur going doing the lane and probably won't catch your eye.  However, it you are any decent rev guy throwing a brightly colored ball well, it usually gets noticed from a couple of pairs away.  It you might get asked "what are you throwing".

At least I catch myself watching the reactions of other bowlers ball's that I notice.

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Re: Ball color, name, and logo. Does it factor into your purchase decision?
« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2013, 03:13:43 PM »
I can only speak for myself....but I have never taken into account the name, color, logo of a ball. Everytime I bought a new ball, whether it was when I was in high school till now, it was based on the performance of the ball. Now, it was a bonus of the ball looked cool going down the lane, but it never played into if I would get it or not. For me the "uglier" a ball looked, the better it seemed to work for me. A perfect example was Nu-Line's follow-up to the Excaliber, the Genisis. It was an ugly gold colored ball, but first night with it I shot 289 (with a solid 8 pin no less) and over 1000 for a 4 game set.

Jorge can speak for me, too. I have used mainly Columbia balls in recent years: the Power Surge (solid neon purple), Full Swing (solid black), and the Freeze (swirls of blue and orange). The Surge was a nice ball and had an additional plus---with its purple coverstock, the Surge looked great going down the lane.

I would add to what Jorge stated: If I had to choose between 2 balls with similar specifications and capabilities, I might consider color.
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Re: Ball color, name, and logo. Does it factor into your purchase decision?
« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2013, 04:19:31 PM »
I think there are two things going on in this thread:
   1) From a bowler's perspective, does it make a difference. For some bowlers it will, no matter what their average. I guess, I was always the exception to the rule. I never cared. All I cared about was how the ball was supposed to perform and did it match up to the lane conditions I was looking to use it on. But for others, especially the once a week, fun league bowlers, color matters.
   2) From a pro shop or seller's perspective, it makes a huge difference. You will sell more balls if it has a good color, good shelf appeal and/or a great name that makes it memorable. Sometime that shelf appeal can be because the ball is a throwback, a basic black ball (like the Reax for example), other times it is because of the bright colors and how they interact together. Throw on a good name on top of it and you have a better chance of selling it. But I think the bigger factor than either of those things is Price Point. EBI brought out too many High end balls at high price points. Those didn't sell well. You need to be able to keep the balls at a price point that lets the consumer think they are getting a good deal. Either by getting more performance at a mid-price level, or by keeping the prices low enough to make them feel that way.
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Re: Ball color, name, and logo. Does it factor into your purchase decision?
« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2013, 04:36:08 PM »
Obviously it does play a factor, otherwise companies wouldn't be worried about coming out with all of these crazy colors and making sure it has a solid name.

People on these boards generally aren't your average bowler, so the idea that it doesn't really matter to most of the posters doesn't surprise me.

Just in general from what I have noticed, the less experienced or skilled you are, the more it matters. There is a reason companies started coming out with these wild plastic balls with images and things in them, regular joe wants something that looks cool.

I would say it breaks down pretty close to this:

1. Average guy off the street that bowls maybe once or twice a month for recreations - very important, probably the most important thing tbh.

2. One league a week guy - Still important, but what the ball can do will play a bit more of a role.

3. Multiple Leagues a week - Still plays a part, but more than likely will be used to choose one over another, or as a reason not to buy a certain ball ( for instance I never bought one of the old Green Messengers because I thought it looked hideous)

4. Tournament/Pro bowler - Won't matter at all, unless there is multiple option inside the same line ( ex. Strike King or Slingshot)

The reason I feel pretty confident about that break down is because I have been 1-3 in my life, and there enough of you that are #4 around here to be able to figure that one out.

I think there is one condition though that trumps either color or name though, price point. The last two I bought were a Arson Low Flare and a First Blood and it was because I got both balls drilled with inserts for under $250
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Re: Ball color, name, and logo. Does it factor into your purchase decision?
« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2013, 04:45:31 PM »
Have I ever bought a ball because of the name, color, and whatever else?? Back in my early years of bowling absolutely!! I wanted something that I thought would get attention from other people. Now I buy my equipment based off specs and ball motion that I see either in person or on youtube reviews. If a ball has the reaction that I'm interested in getting and it's bright neon pink so what. Most house bowlers that are the 1 night a week bowler they get what they like not caring about performance or the lack there of.
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