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n00dlejester

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Ball Death?
« on: June 02, 2008, 11:46:49 PM »
Good morning fellow ball reviewers.

Last night I started my PBAX league.  We shot on the Chameleon pattern.  I used the same gear I did last year on the pattern (my Paradigm Passion and Pyro), with better success too.  But last year, I played straight up like, 6/7/8 or so with my Passion and it had a beautiful swooping backend that carried the world (when I hit the pocket).  This year, the Passion was about 3/4 boards less in the backend.  I know the patterns have supposedly changed, so is this a result of this "change?"  Or should I give it a good water bath?  Or is it time to say goodbye to one ball and hello to another?  Keep in mind that I am VERY anal about maintenance (cleaning after every set, Clean'n'Dull after every 12-15 games, re-sand every 30 games, oil-bath once every 60 games or when reaction dies).  I'm going to try bathing it in water before I go out and buy a new ball, but I was just wondering what your thoughts were.

Thanks for the help!
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Re: Ball Death?
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2008, 07:56:03 AM »
Take to 500 grit and do a bath, but I would consider a ball hooking only 3/4 boards less far from ball death.
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Re: Ball Death?
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2008, 08:01:55 AM »
Is it possible that the lane oil machine has enough inconsistency in stripping the lanes and applying the new oil pattern that you might see 3-4 boards difference from year to year???
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Re: Ball Death?
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2008, 08:13:45 AM »
Steve,

Is this at Howell?
If so, given those lanes, could it just be the lane variation?
or are they oiling immediately before league?

If you're that rigorous about your ball maintenance, I doubt it's the ball.

Addendum: just saw Joe Schuld's scores and they're low, but he won 4-1 with them. Maybe because Parker and Johnny P are there every week, the shot is a LOT closer to a TRUE PBA shot???
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Re: Ball Death?
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2008, 08:29:16 AM »
Hey Jeff,

Actually this is at Hazlet.  They're pretty good with their machine and oiling and prep.  All the lanes in our little league played about the same.  Granted 3/4 boards may not seem like a lot, but it's a TON for me b/c I'm lucky to get a ball to move 6 boards overall lol.  

Howell in general has less friction than anything else around here.  I love that house so hard.
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« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2008, 08:31:57 AM »
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Is it possible that the lane oil machine has enough inconsistency in stripping the lanes and applying the new oil pattern that you might see 3-4 boards difference from year to year???
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Definitely a possibility now that I think about it.  The oil-guy is some kid, not the cool old guy from last year.
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Re: Ball Death?
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2008, 11:56:58 AM »
Steve,

haven't been at Airport or Harmony Lanes in at least 20 years. If everything's the same but the lane surface has more friction than Howell, then I'd also suspect the oil machine. Howell's is relatively new. If they're not  used to putting down a PBA pattern and if the machine is not totally programmable, heck, even if it is, that could be the problem.

Yes, 3-4 boards is a big difference.

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Re: Ball Death?
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2008, 01:10:57 PM »
Jeff,

Thanks for the feedback.  

Here's another thought I had during the course of my (oh so busy) work-day:  is it possible my sanded Passion was reading the lane too early and NOT causing it to move that much in the back-ends?  Ever since I've switched up my game, I've noticed my Passion having that problem more and more it picking up the mids earlier than I'm used to and having to move or switch gear sooner.
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Re: Ball Death?
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2008, 01:36:59 PM »
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Jeff,

Thanks for the feedback.  

Here's another thought I had during the course of my (oh so busy) work-day:  is it possible my sanded Passion was reading the lane too early and NOT causing it to move that much in the back-ends?  Ever since I've switched up my game, I've noticed my Passion having that problem more and more it picking up the mids earlier than I'm used to and having to move or switch gear sooner.


If it's a higher friction lane surface than Howell, it's entirely possible. Do you have a solid resin that is at the same grit level as the Passion or possibly slightly higher numrically (finer)? If you throw that and it gets through the heads and saves up more energy, then you know that Passion is too aggressive for this oil amount/lane surface combination.

The Passion is a very aggressive cover and needs a whole lot of oil. If your new release has more revs or has less tilt, then you need less surface/higher numeric sanding/grit level on it, even for Howell.

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Re: Ball Death?
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2008, 07:19:47 AM »
Update after last night's league night (I said night a lot):  I think the ball needs a water bath.  On a THS I know the Passion can move, and well (at Howell), it was playing just as straight as the Chameleon.  So I know what I'm doing this weekend.

Thanks for all the help guys!
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