Well yesterday I happen to be in the pro shop with a friend and I was suggesting how he should get his balls drilled because to me it doesn't make since to get all your balls drilled the same...  This new dude in the pro shop said he has all his balls to go long and hook - does this make since or am I just crazy...

Is anybody else following this same logic.....

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Quote from: Rightycomplex on May 08, 2013, 07:38:19 PM

3" left of center? 0 Finger and thumb?? Put 500 grit on it and hope it turns the corner. Lol!

So, I assume you retract leprevious statement about layout superseding weight hole in order of importance in drilling.

not really, and not that Im disagreeing with you. A weight hole is just a more permanent solution. But, even with standard pin by bridge cg in palm, I can manipulate weight to drill a hole, so long as I have some to play with. You are referencing an extreme case in which will never exist normally. If I take two identical balls and drill them the same with no hole and I decide to put a hole in one later, I can drill deeper in fingers or thumb to create weight either way, as long as I have some side.

this is however beside the point because I can put 500 grit on a plastic ball and get it to hook and strike consistently. All I'm saying is a swiss army knife of equipement may not be the best option for everyone, especially when youre only bowling on THS of different volumes. Determine your benchmark and understand the strengths and limitations of the equipment you throw. Manipulate surface where necessary. 

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Quote from: charlest on May 08, 2013, 07:40:47 PM

Quote from: Rightycomplex on May 08, 2013, 07:38:19 PM

3" left of center? 0 Finger and thumb?? Put 500 grit on it and hope it turns the corner. Lol!

So, I assume you retract the previous statement about layout superseding weight hole in order of importance in drilling.

not really, and not that Im disagreeing with you. A weight hole is just a more permanent solution.

More permanent than the actual pin layout?
Of course not.

But, even with standard pin by bridge cg in palm, I can manipulate weight to drill a hole, so long as I have some to play with. You are referencing an extreme case in which will never exist normally.

I just did that to prove the untenability of your statement, that the weight hole is more important than the drilling/layout. The weight hole will only modify the original layout, that is the pin & the CG/PSA positioning, just as a layout will only modify the original design of the ball..

If I take two identical balls and drill them the same with no hole and I decide to put a hole in one later, I can drill deeper in fingers or thumb to create weight either way, as long as I have some side.

this is however beside the point because I can put 500 grit on a plastic ball and get it to hook and strike consistently. All I'm saying is a swiss army knife of equipement may not be the best option for everyone, especially when youre only bowling on THS of different volumes. Determine your benchmark and understand the strengths and limitations of the equipment you throw. Manipulate surface where necessary. 

Thus, the importance of the initial layout/drilling with respect to the surface chosen. The two are the essence of the ball reaction based on the original design TOGETHER with the bowler release/delivery specs TOGETHER with the oil pattern, TOGETHER with the lane surface. That IS the ball reaction.

The weight hole only modifies the drilling. period.

It also depends on the amount of friction side to side as well as down lane...the more the condition has built in friction or typical house shots...the less difference you'll see with balls as well as layouts...

I currently have three similar balls on the same layout with the same pin to pap and x-hole locations. A Reax, a Paranormal, and a Burning Siege. All three have different reactions and shapes. The Reax is the biggest hooking and overall strongest. The Paranormal has the most length and backend recovery. The Siegs is in between the two.