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Big Jake

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ball flair
« on: January 23, 2011, 05:40:28 AM »
Hello Group,
Please explain to me the advantages of ball flair. For instance, when reading a page of information on a certain ball it might say that a ball 3-4" of flair whereas some balls will have 7"+ of flair.
 
What are the advantages of flair and what bowling (cranker, tweener, stroker) style suits a certain amount of flair, thanks, Jake
 
 


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Re: ball flair
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2011, 08:36:41 PM »
The flare will allow the ball to contact a fresh surface on each revolution so when the ball does hit the dry part of the lane it will be fresh ball surface on dry lane allowing for a stronger hook , sharper angle, and greater change of direction.
Some people say that after a certain amount of flare separation that it doesn't provide any more advantage..
 
I have heard other people say that with the larger separation that where the track meets at the bowtie will a smaller point and therefore have the ball roll over less surface where there is oil.. and have more fresh surface on the lane..


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Re: ball flair
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2011, 08:41:08 PM »
I saw flair and immediately thought of Office Space...
 
In that situation, there is no advantage to flair other than keeping your boss happy.
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Re: ball flair
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2011, 12:00:03 AM »
LOL same here xD
 
ctwings10 wrote on 1/23/2011 9:41 PM:
I saw flair and immediately thought of Office Space...
 
In that situation, there is no advantage to flair other than keeping your boss happy.


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Re: ball flair
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2011, 02:33:33 AM »

It depends on what conditions you are matching up with and the ball's surface prep., etc.  Look at the separation of the oil lines on your ball. For many house shots where there is plenty of friction, too much separation can cause the ball to look good but hit weak.  On these shots my personal preference is to have the oil lines pretty close together (maybe 1/4" to 3/8" inches max.).

You should experiment to determine what works best for you, and your rev rate, based on what conditions you regularly see. I don't think there is one answer that applies to everyone because we are so different, and so are the lane conditions we face.

 

 


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Re: ball flair
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2011, 05:06:52 PM »
Hi.  Here's a link to an article I wrote on ball flare.
 
Hopefully that will help you understand the basics and a little bit more.  It will be a function of the ball's capabilities, your rev rate, and the drilling.
 
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Re: ball flair
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2011, 05:38:50 PM »
That article is very confusing. I don't think you should use the position of the pin in regards to the fingers for how the ball flares..A symmetrical ball has two stable axis. On the pin and 6 3/4 from the pin. The amount a symmetrical ball will flare is dependent upon the distance the pin is from the PAP.  Putting the pin 3 3/8" from the PAP will start the ball on its most unstable axis and will provide maximum flare.   Asymmetrical balls get kind of tricky as they will have a large flare potential with the pin 2 3/4 to 6 1/4 inches from the PAP.


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Re: ball flair
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2011, 06:20:09 AM »
As a matter of fact, that article is incorrect.  Talking about those particular pin placements mentioned, the exact opposite is true for me.

 

 My pap is 4 1/8>,  1/2^, so putting the pin to the right of my fingers will DECREASE the flare for me from an above the fingers placement.


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Re: ball flair
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2011, 06:29:23 AM »
 
 When you need real Flair! 


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Re: ball flair
« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2011, 06:55:57 AM »
Ball flare is a direct result of core design.  The flare represents the tilt and rotations of the core, creating the separation of the flare rings.  The reason they are further apart on a ball that has a high differential is because the core is rotating more aggressively. Weak cored balls with low diffs create less flare which in turn means less aggressive movement. Pin to PAP distance determines the amount of 'tilt' in the core inside the ball, as the ball migrates to the preferred axis is creates flare.
 
Of course this is all relative.  A weak core ball with a super aggressive cover may cover the same boards as a weak cover ball with a strong core.   Its all about matching up as each piece has a use.


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Re: ball flair
« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2011, 08:13:51 AM »

 Thats exactly what I was thinking. WOOOOOOOOOOOO!



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 When you need real Flair! 


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Re: ball flair
« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2011, 09:43:47 AM »

 WHOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
scotts33 wrote on 1/28/2011 7:29 AM:
 
 When you need real Flair! 


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Re: ball flair
« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2011, 09:37:44 PM »
Thanks everyone for your input, really good stuff.

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