Author Topic: Advice welcomed- frustration in home house.... (Read 1053 times)

MSC2471 · « **on:** December 26, 2005, 12:11:54 PM »

Last year I averaged 225 in my Monday night league on a 43' THS. I was able to make the necessary changes from a small swing line (playing 12-6) to moving outside by game three and playing up the boards (usually straight up 5 to 7). My games would typically get stronger as the night wore on, as I had a 299,298 and 289 in 3 of my last games last year. The balls I was typical using ranged from a Rule to an Absolute Inferno to a Hot Wire. The transitions were predictable and although I had off nights, I usually didn't leave the lanes shaking my head.

This year the pattern is 41'. I'm noticing more that concerning my game, the first game is the strongest and as the night wears on, I'm completely baffled how to play the lanes. I have usually 2 other lefties on my side- one who tends to play up the boards with weaker equipment (Desert Heat) and another who swings from 12-4 with a MoRich Sahara. When I start the night I'm able to play 15-5 with my RoboRule lately, but then once the head oil goes I'm having a difficult time carrying from inside with the aggressive equipment, or when I try to pipe it in the dry with speed I get pocket splits or single pins because the ball is driving too much (even with weaker equipment like the Panic). The house is a 24 lane wood center. My stats and my equipment are in my profile.

Should I join the flinger brigade, take my hand out of the ball and play up the dry during game three? Should I start the night outside and make my moves inside with more aggressive equipment?

The righties are outaveraging the lefties by a good 10-15 pins per bowler... and I'm getting disgusted with what to do.

Any help/suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Matt

louie · « **Reply #1 on:** December 27, 2005, 02:43:04 AM »

Have you tried a ball with a skiddy coverstock with a short (1-2 inches) pin to pap? This has worked wonders for me on a similar shot. The ball is clean through the heads and then arcs nicely off the dry and carries well. Longer pin to paps tent to be really over under for me in comparison.
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CoachJim · « **Reply #2 on:** December 27, 2005, 04:10:07 AM »

If the other two lefties are on the same team as you, have them get more aggressive equipment and start outside with you and open up a shot for each other, instead of jumping across their lines and them crossing yours, work together. That is what we do on the right side at least my teammates and I.

If the other lefties aren't on your lanes each week and you are on your own, try to take the hand out of the ball as it starts to hook more and more, then move in and put more hand in it, then back off again as needed.

Best of Luck, Happy Holidays.

Jim

scotts33 · « **Reply #3 on:** December 27, 2005, 06:47:25 AM »

MSC2471--By looking at your profile, which is very good BTW, I'd say you are having a harder time inside because of your roll. More spinner.......yes? Next question is your equipment laid out to take advantage of your roll/PAP?

I'd go with CoachJim's suggestion of trying to play with the other lefties if they are on your team and versatile....most lefties aren't. Just kiddin'.

FWIW--In one league that I bowl I start at 15 and work inside of 20 at the arrows because the heads are gone after a 4 man league in front of us on a light volume lane condition to start. I just keep working inside with varying equipment.
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MSC2471 · « **Reply #4 on:** December 27, 2005, 08:44:41 AM »

scotts33: Yes, my ball driller is aware of my PAP and we plan out layouts accordingly (I also receive advice from many of the staffers and pro shop people on ballreviews). My tracking is more of a spinner variety but I think its been moving up a little bit due to the coaching I've been receiving as well as just more experience through league/tournament bowling.

I would love to see all of us breaking the shot down together but the problem becomes we have one lefty who is more of a medium-high rev, slow speed player, another lefty who is a medium-high rev, high speed player and then there's me who is of the medium-high speed, low rev variety.

Thanks for all of the suggestions so far, keep them coming as I will probably be spending a day this week at the lanes trying a few things out before league next week.

Matt

nd300 · « **Reply #5 on:** December 27, 2005, 09:35:58 AM »

I used to have an original X-Factor with a 1-2 inch pin that my driller set up with the pin under the ring and the Cg in the palm. It went long and reacted off the dry with a nice readable arc.
I have the same general problem you do with the lanes getting drier as the night wears on and this ball was a good one to have.
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Lane#1--nothing else hits like 'em.

Leftyhi-trak · « **Reply #6 on:** December 27, 2005, 05:59:36 PM »

Your breakdown last year seems to be more of a fresh to carry down situation as you moved from inside to outside. This year its sound more like traditional wood in my area where you are just chasing the head oil yet still bumping the dry. How about your rule or absolute with a bit of polish on them to conserve the energy and roll transition to farther down the lane. This is to help carry. Can you play inside their breakpoint yet still catch dry??(7-10 board area at break) This might help on the single pin/beak shots when coming from the outside.

PS- Read your profile, pretty sure we bowled next to you guys at Nats a few years ago.

CoachJim · « **Reply #7 on:** December 28, 2005, 03:43:38 AM »

If you have more speed and less revs than your teammates, then why are you inside of them. It must be because of your Spinner type release which makes the ball snap extremely hard on the back end. The only way for you to bowl well is to play off of your teammates line. In order to do that they will have to open the shot up for you, that would mean using equipment that isn't going to carry the oil down to your breakpoint. Since they have more hand than you do, they could throw something more aggressive and play a similar line as you, then you could break the shot down together and play off of each other instead of crossing each other.

You could learn to roll the ball a bit more by not getting your thumb out so early and turning the ball with your hand. Keep you thumb in the ball a hair longer and roll the ball with your hand behind it. Follow through with your palm toward the ceiling. I would learn to roll the ball before they change to synthetics, I imagine you are at your best on wood lanes with your pap the way it is.

Barring that I would throw something sanded to 320 to cut down the over/under and take some of the snap off of the back end.

LuckyLefty · « **Reply #8 on:** December 28, 2005, 04:44:54 AM »

This sounds so much like my house...oiled to 40 feet. Strong wet dry.
Righties higher than lefties by a good amount.

In general I've been getting into deep inside for a lefty with teh Total Annhilation mass bias strong. In practice the other day a Hot Wire worked good and almost looked great in league but carry is suspect at times on these slippery anvilanes.

Also I found a great shot wiht an EMB xf the other day probably should have used when I could not miss with the Hot Wire but could not throw a double...I'm seeing guys with the symmetric Sheer Havoc have similar nice results on this lenght shot when I throw the EMB XF!

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS I'm getting a Hot Rod Pro Stock to see if the coverstock Monsoon which I love on the Supercharge is a better fit on these anvilanes than the similar cored Hot Wire with Accutread. I own the pocket with this ball.
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charlest · « **Reply #9 on:** December 28, 2005, 08:03:52 AM »

Matt,

Reading all the above suggestions, I think I lean towards CoachJim's approach. Also I'd add that it's possible that a more "rolly" ball will help you play in the area that your other lefties play, but the ball will be slightly stronger to make up for your more spinner-like release. Polished solid resins with very small flare like a polished Columbia Hyde, AMF Titan SE, Track Heat (pearl but fairly rolly), Ebonite Black Ice, Storm Hot Tod Hybrid are the type of balls I mean.

Also placing the pin further towards your track will raise your track slightly, like over your middle finger. Very close to your track (outside your middle finger) will reduce the flare a LOT and raise your track considerably. This allows you to use a stronger ball and still get a decent reaction.

Still it's better to stay behind the ball more; not turning the ball early helps raise the track also. Many low trackers start turning the ball with their wrist/fingers, well before their thumb escapes.
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