Author Topic: Carry difference between 14# and 15# (Read 1858 times)

nowski1381 · « **on:** January 06, 2009, 04:18:12 PM »

Is there any noticeable carry difference between the 2 weights? I currently throw 15lbs but was thinking about trying a 14lber out to help gain a little speed...thanks to anyone who has tried both and can answer!

keeones23 · « **Reply #1 on:** January 07, 2009, 12:34:09 AM »

I tried both weights and i can tell you that there wasn't a huge difference right away. But as you bowl more and more games you will notice maybe you will carry some pins better than you used to, and at the same time you may start not carrying pins as good as you used to. I definitely gained speed and with that speed i got a lot of deflection. Didn't take too long before I went back up in weight. If you're having problems with the ball being too heavy then a switch makes sense to me. If you're just trying to get more speed I want to ask you have you tried anything else like holding the ball higher? or speeding up your feet?

Jay · « **Reply #2 on:** January 07, 2009, 03:38:17 AM »

There should be a difference. Better or worse depends on the situation. If 14 is not the right weight for you, you'll probably end up throwing it too fast leaving stuff like flat 10s too much. At least that's what I think. That seemed to be what I noticed when I moved up to 15. The speed difference wasn't all that noticeable but it just seemed my carry got better.

tenpinspro · « **Reply #3 on:** January 07, 2009, 09:51:09 AM »

Hey nowski,

From my personal experience of switching from 15lbs to 14lbs yielded no loss in carry power but I feel it depends on a few different factors as to whether or not it will affect a bowler. I learned from from Del Warren and Brian Pursel the following categories in which we place bowlers which may help explain. Depending upon the category in which a bowler fits, the following rules generally apply when reducing ball weight.

1) highly speed dominant
2) slightly speed dominant
3) matching speed to revs
4) slightly rev dominant
5) highly rev dominant

For categories 1 and 2, reducing ball weight can/will reduce carry power.
For category 3, bowler may experience "some" loss in carry power but not as much as bowlers in category 1 and 2.
For categories 4 and 5, the bowler will not see much of a difference in carry power (may even improve if straighter angles are applied or if the bowler can create additional stored energy due to increased speed)

Here are a few of the monkey wrenches that get thrown in.

1)I found that bowlers with a free or good pendulum swing don't notice a drastic change compared to a bowler who muscles a ball.
2)Depending upon a bowler's wrist strength, a lighter weight ball may allow that bowler to increase wrist action at the point of delivery which increases revs and can translate into a stronger reacting ball. Thus placing that bowler in a different category.
3) If speed is increased, a bowler can then also utilize a stronger cover/core for increased friction/reaction so they remain in the same category.

Sorry for the length but hopefully this helps explain why you will get variances in your replies.
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jbruno6 · « **Reply #4 on:** January 07, 2009, 10:22:49 AM »

great post tenpins ^^^^^
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mumzie · « **Reply #5 on:** January 07, 2009, 01:16:17 PM »

I didn't notice any difference. I cah get 9 with either weight.

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Necromancer · « **Reply #6 on:** January 07, 2009, 01:47:14 PM »

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Is there any noticeable carry difference between the 2 weights? I currently throw 15lbs but was thinking about trying a 14lber out to help gain a little speed...thanks to anyone who has tried both and can answer!

Speed? You should be deciding to drop weight in order to have more power. Power is not speed. Power is rotation, tilt, and revs. I see people with speed in my league. Basically they throw the ball down the lane at like 25 mph and carry 170 averages. It's all about power.
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scooter19530 · « **Reply #7 on:** January 07, 2009, 01:57:30 PM »

tenpins is right on. i had 4 surgeries on my bowling shoulder, i dropped in weight from 15 to 14, i still had a tendency to keep my shoulder tight at all times, probably just from lack of trust and afraid it would tear a tendon again. i never really got the full finish i was looking for, bowled in a summer league, the 1st 10 weeks i felt like i was muscling it and throwing it instead of rolling the ball, the last 2 weeks, with a u-turn particle, i just relaxed my shoulder for the 1st time since pre-surgery and averaged 230 for the last 8 games of the season, my carry was better, my ball reaction was 5 times better and actually my accuracy was much better. the drive on the backend was every bit as good as before, i think it's easier to relax because of the less weight you're holding, that would be my number 1 thing to remember, just my opinion. good luck.

Gunny · « **Reply #8 on:** January 07, 2009, 02:28:28 PM »

carry difference?.....NONE!

JessN16 · « **Reply #9 on:** January 07, 2009, 03:28:44 PM »

Maybe I shouldn't, but I throw 14-, 15- and 16-pound equipment and switch back and forth between them.

I notice virtually no difference at all between 15 and 16. At 14, however, there is a slight difference, and it shows up on light hits. A 14 won't carry the 10 for me as often on a half-pocket or less hit. As far as carry on full pocket hits, none whatsoever with the angle today's balls generate.

Jess

nowski1381 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 07, 2009, 04:03:26 PM »

thanks to everyone who responded....while I do want a little more speed, a big part of it was to get more power as well...I think I'll give it a try if I come across a 14lber at a decent price...thanks again!

Hamburglar · « **Reply #11 on:** January 08, 2009, 09:40:20 AM »

quote:
Hey nowski,

From my personal experience of switching from 15lbs to 14lbs yielded no loss in carry power but I feel it depends on a few different factors as to whether or not it will affect a bowler. I learned from from Del Warren and Brian Pursel the following categories in which we place bowlers which may help explain. Depending upon the category in which a bowler fits, the following rules generally apply when reducing ball weight.

1) highly speed dominant
2) slightly speed dominant
3) matching speed to revs
4) slightly rev dominant
5) highly rev dominant

For categories 1 and 2, reducing ball weight can/will reduce carry power.
For category 3, bowler may experience "some" loss in carry power but not as much as bowlers in category 1 and 2.
For categories 4 and 5, the bowler will not see much of a difference in carry power (may even improve if straighter angles are applied or if the bowler can create additional stored energy due to increased speed)

Here are a few of the monkey wrenches that get thrown in.

1)I found that bowlers with a free or good pendulum swing don't notice a drastic change compared to a bowler who muscles a ball.
2)Depending upon a bowler's wrist strength, a lighter weight ball may allow that bowler to increase wrist action at the point of delivery which increases revs and can translate into a stronger reacting ball. Thus placing that bowler in a different category.
3) If speed is increased, a bowler can then also utilize a stronger cover/core for increased friction/reaction so they remain in the same category.

Sorry for the length but hopefully this helps explain why you will get variances in your replies.
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Within the last year, I came back from an elbow injury and dropped from 15lb to 14lb in the process. I have not noticed any difference in carry between the two weights. However, in that same time, I've also lost some speed due to the elbow injury. I didn't throw a fast ball in the first place but I was slightly speed dominant before my injury, using 15lb equipment. After dropping to 14lb equipment and losing some speed, I am now slightly rev dominant due to factors mentioned in Rick's post (#2 in the "monkey wrench" section). If anything, I've become a more versitile player now having both the abilities of playing a straighter line like I used to but also being able to move inside without hesitation due to an increased in rev rate based in part on getting more wrist action with the lighter weight ball.
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