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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: jmc1972 on November 07, 2017, 10:54:33 AM
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Question for everyone...
I took 21years off and came back to the sport a year ago.
I noticed a couple guys saying they were losing energy and couldn’t get through the pins. I’ve heard this phrase a couple of times.
Can some someone explain what the telltale signs are and if possible link a video explaining it? I’ve not found one yet.
Thank you!
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Usually when this happens you leave a lot of corner pins, probably some pocket splits like the 7-10 and 8-10 or 7-9 depending on what hand you throw with.
Otherwise you can tell it's happening by watching how your ball goes through the pins. If it's hitting the headpin and immediately diving right (for a right-handed bowler) or diving left (for a left-handed bowler) then the ball is losing energy. Ideally you want the ball to keep the same momentum it has hitting the pocket and then finishing through the pins, no diving left or right.
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Usually when this happens you leave a lot of corner pins, probably some pocket splits like the 7-10 and 8-10 or 7-9 depending on what hand you throw with.
Otherwise you can tell it's happening by watching how your ball goes through the pins. If it's hitting the headpin and immediately diving right (for a right-handed bowler) or diving left (for a left-handed bowler) then the ball is losing energy. Ideally you want the ball to keep the same momentum it has hitting the pocket and then finishing through the pins, no diving left or right.
Thanks, that’s pretty simple. I was thinking to my self (hopefully didn’t say out loud), put more on the ball.
Thanks again for the explanation!
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Coor nailed it head on, good observation.
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Usually when this happens you leave a lot of corner pins, probably some pocket splits like the 7-10 and 8-10 or 7-9 depending on what hand you throw with.
Otherwise you can tell it's happening by watching how your ball goes through the pins. If it's hitting the headpin and immediately diving right (for a right-handed bowler) or diving left (for a left-handed bowler) then the ball is losing energy. Ideally you want the ball to keep the same momentum it has hitting the pocket and then finishing through the pins, no diving left or right.
Thanks, that’s pretty simple. I was thinking to my self (hopefully didn’t say out loud), put more on the ball.
Thanks again for the explanation!
Putting more on the ball is not an option. Putting more on it, like more revs, will make it hook even earlier and lose energy faster.
An easier and more logical one is to move deeper (1/0, 2/1, 3/1. 3/2 - 1st number is target, 2nd number is breakpoint) until you find more head oil to help the ball conserve energy.
Other options are
two, to throw the ball faster (if you can do that and keep all other factors the same).
three, to use a milder or more polished ball and play the same line.
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Yeah, more hand isn't necessarily the answer. It could come from being soft on the release and not putting enough on the ball for the line being thrown but not always. There's a lot of variables to consider.
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Mine does too. do you deoil your ball after every usage?
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Mine does too. do you deoil your ball after every usage?
Only works if you go to Valvoline to have it done (ignore the troll).
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This has been an issue the entire resin era. The reason is that the huge amount of friction available down lane causes a ball to transition from skid to hook to roll so quickly. In essence the ball can out hook the rev rate. The solution is to find a way to get more direct going in to the pocket. It is a big problem on house patterns for stroker, tweener type of styles. It is also part of the reason we have seen such a surge in the return to urethane. Urethane is s very situational option in my opinion, but can be utilized to stay further right and cut down out angle, allowing the ball to set up more flush on pocket hits.
The mist effective solution is more ball speed and lower axis rotation without lowering rev rate. Unfortunately this can be easier said than done for many if us.
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Your ball speed is certainly the key, as I mentioned. Unfortunately most of us gave become rev dominant
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Poor rev dominant players being able to play more angles all over the whole lane and getting better pin carry. My heart bleeds for them. At least they can chose to play direct instead of pretty much be forced into only playing that way.
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Actually rev dominant doesn't necessarily equate to better carry. You can be rev dominant with less than 300 rpm. Most poor carry is due to too much entry angle accomoanied by loss of rotational energy. Revs are great if you can create the ball speed to match up.
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Couldn’t agree more; As being rev dominate myself, I have REALLY had to put so much emphasis on all parts of my game, along with how far in I chase it, along with everything that comes with it...
It’s tough, but if you prepare yourself in all areas, and understand all the strengths and weaknesses of all phases (as I do among others) It won’t be as big a problem as it is for others. This game is ALL ABOUT TRANSITION, and to stay ahead of it and when to change speeds, releases, and even equipment, and this translates to higher scores/ higher averages.
Not how much it hooks, BUT WHERE and at the proper time/phase.
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Yeah should have qualified that as plenty of seniors are rev dominant and struggle with carry. Staying ahead of the transition is what separates the great from the good bowlers but being able to consistently roll the ball over your target is really what bowling is about for a good number of people. Otherwise changing target or anything else just changes how you spray the balls.
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Absolutely hack unintentionally left the target part out, no question about it.
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Absolutely hack unintentionally left the target part out, no question about it.
Yeah its kind of a given for a lot of people on here and wish it always was for me (especially my first ball, pretty consistent with my spare ball at least) as well but getting more consistent in that regard.