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nd300

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Ball name question.......
« on: January 25, 2010, 09:47:21 AM »
How did Storm get away with naming the "Reign Of Fire"??? I'm coming from this angle......
 A few years ago,the movie by the same name came out with Matthew McConahay(spelling). Doesn't the movie studio own the "name rights" to Reign Of Fire??
 I'm simply curious---not out to stir up trouble...........
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« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2010, 07:14:41 PM »
Movies don''t have anything to do with bowling balls, plus only when the owner of the copyright thinks the other owner of the named product will detract their original or will benefit in a financial way from the original.

There was a gun called the Beretta long before Chevy made a model by that name.

Macy''s, the big department store, did force a small store somewhere in the backwoods of Kentucky or Tennessee to close or change its name because it used the big store''s name. That was 15 -20 years ago, I think

By the way, even bowling balls have used the same name as older bowling balls by other manufacturers. Brunswick had a Black Diamond hard rubber ball long before Lanemasters had a Black Diamond - is just one example. There are more than a few others.

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« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2010, 01:47:55 AM »
Think of it this way...how many movies do you know call "Invasion"?...google it lol.

Same with Black Widow, stuff like that

another way to think of it is take your name...technically the first person with your name could have the rights to that name.
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« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2010, 02:10:05 AM »
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Movies don''t have anything to do with bowling balls, plus only when the owner of the copyright thinks the other owner of the named product will detract their original or will benefit in a financial way from the original.


That's the point, but it is a diffuse field. I suppose that "Reign of Fire" is not critical at all because:
a) the film was published a couple of years ago, so there is probably no media benefit and b)
B) the film was pretty much a flop, so this extra "exposure" of the title would IMO be rather beneficial to the film...

Other examples which had been IMO more critical (because of almost paralell media exposure of the 'original') were Storm's X-Factor ReLoaded (much at the same time as the Matrix movie) or the X-Factor Vertigo (just when U2 released the single of the same name). These were pretty obvious. Either the lawsuits did not see any exploitation or "danger" for the original media, or just did not take bowling serious. Beyond the names, no other rip-offs had been noticeable.
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Re: Ball name question.......
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2010, 02:35:07 AM »
Didn't Ebonite have a line of balls called "Matrix" too?
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« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2010, 03:06:36 AM »
Yup, correct. But if I get the timeline right the Matrix series balls were released even before the films went on air?
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« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2010, 03:31:16 AM »
Copyright is a strange beast.  As a general rule of thumb, ball manufacturers should be fine if the name they give a ball was common before the film was made.  As long as they don''t name a ball something like "Forrest Gump", the manufacturers should stay away from any legal trouble.
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« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2010, 12:33:39 AM »
yah what about the jigsaw thats straight from the saw movies even the logo is quite similar.

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« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2010, 01:49:47 AM »
Brunswick never made a Twilight Zone, wonder why??
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« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2010, 04:24:01 AM »
Id like to see a Twilight Zone! lol

How about Brunsiwck Bowling balls and Brunswick Pool tables lol
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« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2010, 06:16:50 AM »
It's not about copyright. You don't copyright a name like that.  You copyright an original, creative work.  You could (probably) copyright a core design, that' s a creative undertaking.

You're thinking more of trademarks.  As far as movies are concerned, another studio would have a difficult time making a movie about a dragon-oriented apocalypse and call it Reign of Fire.  There is potential for confusion between the two movies.

With a movie and a bowling ball, both called Reign of Fire, there's practically no possibility of confusion.  Those are two completely different markets.  MGM (or whoever) can own the trademark "Reign of Fire" related to movies while Storm owns the trademark "Reign of Fire" related to bowling balls.  Brunswick probably would not be allowed to develop, say, a core called "Reign of Fire" or release a line of flame-pattern shoes and call it "Reign of Fire".  Those are the same markets and a reasonable consumer could be confused and think that Storm made the shoes or Brunswick made the ball.

Furthermore, names generally aren't trademarked at all unless there's a really good reason to.  There are a lot of movies with the same name, tons of similarly named songs, and a lot of books share names.  Either the more recent creators have negotiated to use the name from a previous (or original) creator or there simply isn't a way to declare a name "yours" without going through the full trademark process.

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