Author Topic: Ball question (Read 2042 times)

HamPster · « **on:** July 14, 2004, 04:15:35 PM »

I understand ball reaction charts and specs and all that, but I know them well enough to know they're hardly ever accurate (when it comes to the house I bowl at, anyway). When a Power Groove rolls the same as an Inferno, or even hooks more, both with box surface, there's something not right. Anyway, the left side of this house is even drier than the right side, but it's more predictable. I can play 2nd arrow pretty comfortably with a polished plastic ball, and that's swinging it out to 5 or so, not straight down 10.

I need a smooth rolling, consistent low end ball (preferably a solid). The pattern is 23 feet buffed to 36, and there's about a unit per board from 7-gutter. I need a pretty strong backend move, or if nothing else good length with predictability, because it's incredibly easy to hit the pocket, but you have to play the lanes to carry at this house. I'm using a 5x4 RIGHThanded Uranium (polished) that I have to play between 3rd and 4th arrow with just to get it down the lane. I could play 5th with it if I wanted to also.

Anyone who says "Flash Force," "Hot Rod Pro Stock," or "Power Groove" will be shot on sight, because I'd have to drill them negative and polish them to 5000 to get them down the lane. I WILL NOT throw Columbia, Ebonite (with the exception of either Shooter), Visionary, or Morich. I need something fairly new also (in the interest of promoting it). Everybody buys Columbia around here anyway, nobody buys E, V, or M, and although I'd throw Lane 1, Brunswick's low end stuff is waaaay too strong, and with their coverstocks being on Lane 1 stuff, there you go. I'm leaning towards a Sonic Boom, but I think that might be too skid/flippy, and would most likely start up too early. Have at it, and I WILL mock dumb suggestions.
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charlest · « **Reply #1 on:** July 15, 2004, 08:10:14 AM »

Try the Sonic-X solid, instead of the Sonic Boom, which has a much stronger backend, or try a Storm Big Hit pearl. The BH uses the Pro-Glide coverstock which is as mild a resin cover as is made these days, but it still has a dynamic core; the Hit pearl is apancake core with the Pro-Glide cover; it is an even weaker ball.

I would have suggested a pearl urethane with a dynamic core, but the 2 companies who market that type of ball, Columbia & Visionary, you said you would not use. This used to be called "cutting your nose off to spite your face."

FYI ball reaction charts usually show balls relative to one another, drilled identically, thrown by the same person, on the same lane surface with the same oil pattern. They are not absolute, but relative "pictures" of the ball. Certain lane surfaces in combination with certain oil patterns can make different balls appear very similar. This is known phenomena and has to be taken into account when evaluating balls; it is also why balls should be used on different lane surfacs on several different oil patterns to get a true picture of their capabilities.

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Edited on 7/15/2004 8:09 AM

tenpinspro · « **Reply #2 on:** July 15, 2004, 08:22:20 AM »

The weakest resin I've drilled to date is the Storm Hit, it's even less than the Big Hit. The 2 other balls that come to my small mind are the XXL and the XXXL from Lane 1. The XXXL actually grabs dry pretty well and moves well also for a plastic ball.

HamPster · « **Reply #3 on:** July 15, 2004, 11:35:05 AM »

I'm glad you mentioned the Big Hit Pearl, I hadn't really thought about it. A guy I know averaged 250 in a 9 gamer in town last year using one, he absolutely loves it. Lol, he averaged 259 in the same tournament this year, by the way. Won it EASILY both times. I've also been throwing around the idea of the XXXL too. There's one that's been in the shop for a while.

About Visionary, I might think about one of them. I was thinking it was a diff company for some reason. Lol, I wanted a Clear Gargoyle SO bad when they were out. Thanks for the straightforward replies in response to my rather brash, know-it-all, cocky, arrogant post, lol.
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HamPster · « **Reply #4 on:** July 15, 2004, 11:35:47 AM »

Were you going to suggest the Slate Blue Gargoyle? I'll have to look at it . .
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RSalas · « **Reply #5 on:** July 15, 2004, 11:48:02 AM »

Ham: What does urethane do on that lane condition?
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The harder the play, the louder the boof.

livespive · « **Reply #6 on:** July 15, 2004, 11:52:00 AM »

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Were you going to suggest the Slate Blue Gargoyle? I'll have to look at it . .
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I would have to agree with charlest. A pearl urathane would be good,
or even a solid urathane, but the only ones that I know of that you
can still get (easily) are from Visionary.
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Eric T. Spivey, P.E.
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charlest · « **Reply #7 on:** July 15, 2004, 01:24:37 PM »

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Were you going to suggest the Slate Blue Gargoyle? I'll have to look at it . .
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I was going to ... as a potential candidate.

Columbia now makes the Trooper, which is also a pearlized urethane with a dynamic core, like the Visionary Slate Blue Gargoyle.

HOWEVER, keep in mind that even pearlized urethane is earlier than most mild pearl resins, like the Big Hit; so, even with dynamic cores, you should really conisder higher pin placements to insure length from a pearlized urethane.

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Edited on 7/15/2004 1:23 PM

Re-Evolution · « **Reply #8 on:** July 15, 2004, 01:29:01 PM »

The new Pure Hammer is a possibility also
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livespive · « **Reply #9 on:** July 15, 2004, 01:30:02 PM »

One other thing I might would try is maybe putting a 315 drill on a ball.
I have had good luck with my 315 executioner on shoter patterns.
It gets through the heads clean, and has a predictable reaction on the back end.
Mine is drilled with pin in a leverage position, but you could also place the
pin above the bridge (wiseman style).
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Eric T. Spivey, P.E.
Visionary Test Staff Member
http://www.visionarybowling.com

bamaster · « **Reply #10 on:** July 15, 2004, 01:32:03 PM »

Take a gander at the Dyno-thane Barrage. Cheap and really nice ball when everything else is hooking too much.

Tony
http://www.allBowling.com

HamPster · « **Reply #11 on:** July 15, 2004, 04:20:55 PM »

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Ham: What does urethane do on that lane condition?
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The harder the play, the louder the boof.

Reacts pretty nice if you have a lot of hand and good breakpoint control. I'm not looking for something that's going to give me a million boards of area, even though I still am having a few control issues, I just want something I don't have to worry so much about. Surprisingly, I'm able to control my rev rate really well. My speed control is a little off, and if I could keep from overthinking everything, that might help. I think I'll try that Gargoyle.
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