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ball releases....
« on: December 16, 2011, 10:36:28 PM »
HOLY CRAP how many balls do we need....thought ebonite was cutting back.....seems to me they just flooded the market....all companys are guilty of this.....so confusing on what to buy...so little money also....lol


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« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2011, 08:07:01 AM »
Yep thought EBI said this year was going to be different but wow it hasn't been.

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« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2011, 11:16:18 AM »
they are all guilty of adding new balls every few months sure wish they would limit it to 4 a year per each company
 
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« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2011, 12:12:48 PM »
Stick with the smaller companies!!

 

 



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« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2011, 04:02:02 PM »
This is a recurring theme and will be worse as the economy goes down the tubes.

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« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2011, 06:48:07 PM »

EBI definitely did not cut back like I thought they were going to.  All 4 brands saw multiple releases throughout the year.  Storm also released a ton of stuff this past year.  Roto Grip even had a lot of new stuff come out this past year with the 3 Theory balls, the Outlaw/Bandit, and the Shooting Star to go with the Rising Star.  Now the Defiant comes out early next year (which that looks to be a really interesting piece).

And this is when I thought Roto Grip didn't flood the market as often... 



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« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2011, 06:56:11 PM »
It's been a "house of cards" that is doomed to failure. The consumers have been willing "victims" of the ball companies for a while now.

 

 Bowling balls used to last for MANY YEARS. All the way into the early 1990's and the urethane era, bowling balls were designed for BOTH performance and durability. Then, the focus began to change.

 

 Resin balls entered the picture. The process that was used to make them made them less durable, but made the performance level much higher. It didn't take long for the ball companies to discover that lots people were more than willing to shell out money to buy equipment that didn't last as long, but made up for their lack of ability.

 

 Shortly thereafter, durability became little more than an afterthought, and the total focus became pure performance level. By the time the 1990's grew to a close, it had become a common practice to replace your bowling ball on a yearly basis.

 

 Now, we have ultra soaking, mega friction, oil eating, shot changing, gyroscopic bombs that cost close to $300, and  last ALMOST 50 games.

 

 If that isn't the definition of an artificially over inflated market, created and maintained solely by PLANNED OBSOLESCENCE, based on lies and gullible consumers, I don't know what is.


 


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« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2011, 07:50:03 PM »
Yep the EBI promotion from the end of last year about fewer balls and X amount from each brand has seem to go by the way side. Oh well, I guess the whole "save bowling" theme is a way to feel less guilt from doing it.
 
 


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« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2011, 07:14:57 AM »
SAVE BOWLING...how are they going to do that...see how many people hit the like button on facebook....i want real change not just talk...how about lowering prices on all these balls they are coming out with.....how about putting a mandate on houses with leagues to put a little bit tougher shot out......nothing to crazy.....usbc needs to get off thier asses and do something...ball companies need to stop releasing some many balls....and we as consumers need to take a stand....then maybe bowling can be saved....


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« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2011, 07:32:39 AM »
I think one of the issues with implementing more difficult shots is the cost of enforcement.  Used to be when someone shot an award score, those lanes were shut down and no one could bowl on them until they were tested for legality.  Now, bowling centers get checked once a year and most likely know when they will be inspected.  Once the inspection is finished, out comes the "house shot" that may or may not be legal. 

If you want more difficult house shots, it will cost more to bowl to ensure compliance. 

1.  How about $50 local sanction fees to have inspectors on staff at all times to check the shots after award scores.

2.  Surprise inspections from the local association to ensure compliance.

3.  Bowling center managers willing to take a chance with dwindling league bowlers by having a more difficult shot as their house shot.

No matter how you look at it, bowling balls are not the only thing contributing to the decline in league bowlers.  They are only responding to what the market wants.  If you want fewer ball releases, then stop buying so many balls.  But then there will be fewer pro-shops and that is another can of worms. 

Why not just embrace the bowling ball market for what it is (customer driven) and try to affect areas that will make competitive bowling more enjoyable to a wider audience. 


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« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2011, 09:48:38 AM »
With all these multiple ball releases and bowling balls with no longevity, I put a big target on the manufacturers as one of the main reasons this sport is dying.

 

There is so much more money needed in equipment today. All that money is going into equipment (not just balls, bags, cleaners, spinner) could be used else where in this sport. A bowler only has so much money to spend.

 

That's why I question are we seeing the best bowlers out there (in the Tournament arena). How many quality bowlers across this nation, don't compete because they don't want to spend $1200 in equipment in order to compete. As many have stated on this board, this sport has chased out the middle class. 

 
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« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2011, 10:53:07 AM »
My main gripe is this:  Manufacturers concentrate on more and more hook and yet the centers dont keep up with oil volume.  We only have 60 feet from foul line to pin deck and yet your higher end balls keep forcing people to play farther and farther inside.  The "average" league bowler doesnt know anything in regards to matching up bowling balls to conditions.  More and more, I see centers laying down lower volumes of oil and yet the "average" bowler still buys the most expensive stuff out there and then the lane is fried after only a game or so.  Then, they complain because they cant control their stuff while the higher end bowlers are using lower to mid performance equipment and shooting higher numbers.  I can understand having maybe one high end ball, 2-3 mid performance balls, and one lower end ball for each manufacturer.  Most manufacturers now, typically have 2-3 high end, 2-3 mid-performance, 2-3 low end, and a spare ball. 

 

EX:  League I bowl on Thursday Nights....this past week we bowled against one of the better teams in the league.  On the ball return, we started with a Prodigy, VG Nano x2, 715C, Taboo Blue/Silver, VG Nano Pearl, Tornado, and a couple other balls.  By the 3rd frame second game, the track on the right side was blown wide open.  I had already moved more with my Tornado in that first 13 frames then I did the previous 2 weeks combined.  The Prodigy, one of the Nanos, 715C and Taboo were all dull and playing in or near the track area.  Make a long story short, I was high on the pair with 670 because the others could not get left fast enough and stop their balls from overhooking. 

 

IMO....the customer is just as much to blame as the manufacturers.  We, in general, are sucked into buying the next hook monster with zero knowledge that we probably dont need it.  I am averaging 250 in my first 3 weeks after drilling up a $100 Ebonite Tornado.  If bowlers would stop making so many ball purchases and instead using that money to join more leagues/tournaments, I believe bowling can survive.  This is not a one way street here.  It is a combination of manufacturers, Center Managers, and the customers for the decline of bowling.  We are all to blame.  The only people that may suffer from significant changes are maybe pro shops.  However, I also believe that the best ball drillers will continue to succeed as they would continue to sell equipment, just not as much higher end stuff and quite a bit more lower end. 



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« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2011, 10:58:48 AM »

 Well said Steven. 
TWOHAND834 wrote on 12/20/2011 11:53 AM:
My main gripe is this:  Manufacturers concentrate on more and more hook and yet the centers dont keep up with oil volume.  We only have 60 feet from foul line to pin deck and yet your higher end balls keep forcing people to play farther and farther inside.  The "average" league bowler doesnt know anything in regards to matching up bowling balls to conditions.  More and more, I see centers laying down lower volumes of oil and yet the "average" bowler still buys the most expensive stuff out there and then the lane is fried after only a game or so.  Then, they complain because they cant control their stuff while the higher end bowlers are using lower to mid performance equipment and shooting higher numbers.  I can understand having maybe one high end ball, 2-3 mid performance balls, and one lower end ball for each manufacturer.  Most manufacturers now, typically have 2-3 high end, 2-3 mid-performance, 2-3 low end, and a spare ball. 

 

EX:  League I bowl on Thursday Nights....this past week we bowled against one of the better teams in the league.  On the ball return, we started with a Prodigy, VG Nano x2, 715C, Taboo Blue/Silver, VG Nano Pearl, Tornado, and a couple other balls.  By the 3rd frame second game, the track on the right side was blown wide open.  I had already moved more with my Tornado in that first 13 frames then I did the previous 2 weeks combined.  The Prodigy, one of the Nanos, 715C and Taboo were all dull and playing in or near the track area.  Make a long story short, I was high on the pair with 670 because the others could not get left fast enough and stop their balls from overhooking. 

 

IMO....the customer is just as much to blame as the manufacturers.  We, in general, are sucked into buying the next hook monster with zero knowledge that we probably dont need it.  I am averaging 250 in my first 3 weeks after drilling up a $100 Ebonite Tornado.  If bowlers would stop making so many ball purchases and instead using that money to join more leagues/tournaments, I believe bowling can survive.  This is not a one way street here.  It is a combination of manufacturers, Center Managers, and the customers for the decline of bowling.  We are all to blame.  The only people that may suffer from significant changes are maybe pro shops.  However, I also believe that the best ball drillers will continue to succeed as they would continue to sell equipment, just not as much higher end stuff and quite a bit more lower end. 



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« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2011, 11:33:00 AM »
+1,000,000,000
 
TWOHAND834 wrote on 12/20/2011 11:53 AM:
My main gripe is this:  Manufacturers concentrate on more and more hook and yet the centers dont keep up with oil volume.  We only have 60 feet from foul line to pin deck and yet your higher end balls keep forcing people to play farther and farther inside.  The "average" league bowler doesnt know anything in regards to matching up bowling balls to conditions.  More and more, I see centers laying down lower volumes of oil and yet the "average" bowler still buys the most expensive stuff out there and then the lane is fried after only a game or so.  Then, they complain because they cant control their stuff while the higher end bowlers are using lower to mid performance equipment and shooting higher numbers.  I can understand having maybe one high end ball, 2-3 mid performance balls, and one lower end ball for each manufacturer.  Most manufacturers now, typically have 2-3 high end, 2-3 mid-performance, 2-3 low end, and a spare ball. 

 

EX:  League I bowl on Thursday Nights....this past week we bowled against one of the better teams in the league.  On the ball return, we started with a Prodigy, VG Nano x2, 715C, Taboo Blue/Silver, VG Nano Pearl, Tornado, and a couple other balls.  By the 3rd frame second game, the track on the right side was blown wide open.  I had already moved more with my Tornado in that first 13 frames then I did the previous 2 weeks combined.  The Prodigy, one of the Nanos, 715C and Taboo were all dull and playing in or near the track area.  Make a long story short, I was high on the pair with 670 because the others could not get left fast enough and stop their balls from overhooking. 

 

IMO....the customer is just as much to blame as the manufacturers.  We, in general, are sucked into buying the next hook monster with zero knowledge that we probably dont need it.  I am averaging 250 in my first 3 weeks after drilling up a $100 Ebonite Tornado.  If bowlers would stop making so many ball purchases and instead using that money to join more leagues/tournaments, I believe bowling can survive.  This is not a one way street here.  It is a combination of manufacturers, Center Managers, and the customers for the decline of bowling.  We are all to blame.  The only people that may suffer from significant changes are maybe pro shops.  However, I also believe that the best ball drillers will continue to succeed as they would continue to sell equipment, just not as much higher end stuff and quite a bit more lower end. 



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Re: ball releases....
« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2011, 11:38:59 AM »
Can't argue with that....
 
TWOHAND834 wrote on 12/20/2011 11:53 AM:
My main gripe is this:  Manufacturers concentrate on more and more hook and yet the centers dont keep up with oil volume.  We only have 60 feet from foul line to pin deck and yet your higher end balls keep forcing people to play farther and farther inside.  The "average" league bowler doesnt know anything in regards to matching up bowling balls to conditions.  More and more, I see centers laying down lower volumes of oil and yet the "average" bowler still buys the most expensive stuff out there and then the lane is fried after only a game or so.  Then, they complain because they cant control their stuff while the higher end bowlers are using lower to mid performance equipment and shooting higher numbers.  I can understand having maybe one high end ball, 2-3 mid performance balls, and one lower end ball for each manufacturer.  Most manufacturers now, typically have 2-3 high end, 2-3 mid-performance, 2-3 low end, and a spare ball. 

 

EX:  League I bowl on Thursday Nights....this past week we bowled against one of the better teams in the league.  On the ball return, we started with a Prodigy, VG Nano x2, 715C, Taboo Blue/Silver, VG Nano Pearl, Tornado, and a couple other balls.  By the 3rd frame second game, the track on the right side was blown wide open.  I had already moved more with my Tornado in that first 13 frames then I did the previous 2 weeks combined.  The Prodigy, one of the Nanos, 715C and Taboo were all dull and playing in or near the track area.  Make a long story short, I was high on the pair with 670 because the others could not get left fast enough and stop their balls from overhooking. 

 

IMO....the customer is just as much to blame as the manufacturers.  We, in general, are sucked into buying the next hook monster with zero knowledge that we probably dont need it.  I am averaging 250 in my first 3 weeks after drilling up a $100 Ebonite Tornado.  If bowlers would stop making so many ball purchases and instead using that money to join more leagues/tournaments, I believe bowling can survive.  This is not a one way street here.  It is a combination of manufacturers, Center Managers, and the customers for the decline of bowling.  We are all to blame.  The only people that may suffer from significant changes are maybe pro shops.  However, I also believe that the best ball drillers will continue to succeed as they would continue to sell equipment, just not as much higher end stuff and quite a bit more lower end. 



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