Author Topic: Crankers ruin condition (Read 7408 times)

strikeking · « **on:** January 21, 2012, 05:09:43 AM »

An argument to go back to hard plastic balls. The other team had 4 super crankers. The first game was good for 9 frames and then their super high revs depleated the oil completely from 20 out to the ditch. It not only ruined the shot for the normal bowlers, but also for themselves. The only type of shot not effected would be the "old timer" who throws a hard ball off of the corner straight to the hole. HEY! I just found the solution!

Strikeking

Impending Doom · « **Reply #16 on:** January 23, 2012, 06:02:06 AM »

I just want to state the obvious...

Every shot anyone throws ruins the condition.. be it cranker, stroker, tweener or open bowler with a house ball.

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trash heap · « **Reply #17 on:** January 23, 2012, 07:48:54 AM »

This is where league bowlers fail. They rather use their high end equipment and ruin the shot instead of working together to have some kind of shot in the third game. Most league bowlers are not thinking about down the road. It's all about the hook. I think alot would be surprised that they could use a pearl, move right, and have just as much or more success than using their high grit bowling ball.

Edited by trash heap on 1/23/2012 at 8:50 AM

spmcgivern · « **Reply #18 on:** January 23, 2012, 08:33:11 AM »

This is definitely how I feel about it. I remember bowling collegiately and the women's teams would beat the men's teams because of how they play the shot. And it is more apparent now with stronger covers on the balls.

It all comes down to egos. People feel they have to throw the newest, most expensive ball around and they force the shot with it.

I remember my girlfriend shooting 300 the first game of league but could shoot anything else when she had to move in a little because there was a guy spraying a Nano that he scuffed up with a green scotch-brite before bowling. She still shot well and they won all the games, but it is annoying thinking you are throwing the ball very well and can be limited on a personal achievement.

trash heap wrote on 1/23/2012 8:48 AM:
This is where league bowlers fail. They rather use their high end equipment and ruin the shot instead of working together to have some kind of shot in the third game. Most league bowlers are not thinking about down the road. It's all about the hook. I think alot would be surprised that they could use a pearl, move right, and have just as much or more success than using their high grit bowling ball.

Edited by trash heap on 1/23/2012 at 8:50 AM

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scotts33 · « **Reply #19 on:** January 23, 2012, 09:25:59 AM »

I punched this up last week and in two 5 man league nights it has worked well. 701 last Thurs night on what I would term ala riggs "frictious" 16 yr. old 1st Gen. Anvilhang house pattern I played right of all the down and in righties 39' 19 ml puddle in the middle nothing to the outside which is what I would think the majority see. You can see my stats. in profile.

Played a line sliding 19...9 at arrows to 3-4 break point. Very high scoring entry angle. Didn't break down until game 3. Much like a Cheetah type situation.

DRY LANES WITH CLEAN BACK ENDS
pearl reactive or skid snap coverstock formulation, high RG (2.60), low Diff (.020), 4k Abralon and polish

Ogre SS fits this description to a T. 2.61 .027

VBP Ogre SS 90* (pin to PSA) x 5" x 65* no x hole OOB surface.

trash heap wrote on 1/23/2012 8:48 AM:This is where league bowlers fail. They rather use their high end equipment and ruin the shot instead of working together to have some kind of shot in the third game. Most league bowlers are not thinking about down the road. It's all about the hook. I think alot would be surprised that they could use a pearl, move right, and have just as much or more success than using their high grit bowling ball.

Edited by trash heap on 1/23/2012 at 8:50 AM

Scott

TWOHAND834 · « **Reply #20 on:** January 23, 2012, 09:28:13 AM »

WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!!!!! This is nonsense. Obviously I am a high rev rate player. I am using a Tornado I bought 6 weeks ago. Me and my 500+ rev rate with my Tornado is doing ALOT less oil absorbing than anyone with their high end balls. On the THS I bowl on, and it is not a long or high volume pattern, I move all of around 3-5 boards with my feet all night whereas anybody, including the guy with the 225 rev rate using his sanded Taboo. is frying up the area between 7-12 with no clue as to what he is doing. He shoots 580 and scratching his head while I have been averaging around 250 for the past 5-6 weeks.

The bowler has very little to do with burning up the oil. It is 90% the bowling balls being used. The remaining 10% is the bowler not understanding that on a THS, they dont need the high end ball unless they throw it 20mph. MOST bowlers are typically 17ish off their hand, so those people can get away with balls in the mid price point and their biggest hooking ball.

The ONLY reason you should be frustrated with the bowler is because of their lack of knowledge as to what balls they should be using on the given conditions.

Peace doesnt always have to be silent.

Impending Doom · « **Reply #21 on:** January 23, 2012, 09:29:20 AM »

I second the urethane suggestion. Go with a strong urethane to start, like a hype urethane, then ball.down to like a natural pearl when they start getting toasty. Urethane on house shots rule, especially if your pair is getting beat to snot by resin.

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The sky is falling

The end is near

The final warning

The sun disappears.

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mainzer · « **Reply #22 on:** January 23, 2012, 10:46:33 AM »

I disagree sir.

The only way I can play straighter in the track to start the night is with a very very weak AfterMath Pearl or Urethane. This is a House shot the outsides are bone dry the hook spot as been established before a shot has been throwen. Any cranker would be nuts to stand in the track and try to play up the dry boards to start when that part of the lane is already been dried out...by the lane machine.

I understand what you are saying no question but some houses are so dry in the track that a cranker can not get near it, it would force them in away from that area, Now I understand starting at 5th arrow is not the answer, I have three crankers on my team including me and we like start around 3 arrow or at the deepest about about 18 at the arrows and work our way in. This does two things, we have plenty have ability to move right and it will begin to take away a strokers line which will help us win points in later games.

trash heap wrote on 1/23/2012 8:48 AM:
This is where league bowlers fail. They rather use their high end equipment and ruin the shot instead of working together to have some kind of shot in the third game. Most league bowlers are not thinking about down the road. It's all about the hook. I think alot would be surprised that they could use a pearl, move right, and have just as much or more success than using their high grit bowling ball.

Edited by trash heap on 1/23/2012 at 8:50 AM

MainzerPower

trash heap · « **Reply #23 on:** January 23, 2012, 11:35:02 AM »

Mainzer,

What bowling balls are you and your team throwing on this condition?

mainzer wrote on 1/23/2012 11:46 AM:

I disagree sir.

The only way I can play straighter in the track to start the night is with a very very weak AfterMath Pearl or Urethane. This is a House shot the outsides are bone dry the hook spot as been established before a shot has been throwen. Any cranker would be nuts to stand in the track and try to play up the dry boards to start when that part of the lane is already been dried out...by the lane machine.

I understand what you are saying no question but some houses are so dry in the track that a cranker can not get near it, it would force them in away from that area, Now I understand starting at 5th arrow is not the answer, I have three crankers on my team including me and we like start around 3 arrow or at the deepest about about 18 at the arrows and work our way in. This does two things, we have plenty have ability to move right and it will begin to take away a strokers line which will help us win points in later games.

MainzerPower

mainzer · « **Reply #24 on:** January 23, 2012, 11:51:35 AM »

@ trash heap
Depending on how deep we start a polished Requiem, BlackOut with a six inch pin or
Euphoria for me.Jason starts with No Mercy that has a crap ton of games on or
Hole Finder Solid again with a ton of games and it has been lane polished, Dusty starts with a Elevate.

Dusty has the by far the most hand due to an onorthodox release, I am in second on
the rev meter, and Jason is a very close third, the Requiem has amazing length when
polished ceases to be the monster it is when dull.

MainzerPower

six pack · « **Reply #25 on:** January 23, 2012, 12:30:21 PM »

scotts33 wrote on 1/23/2012 10:25 AM:
I punched this up last week and in two 5 man league nights it has worked well. 701 last Thurs night on what I would term ala riggs "frictious" 16 yr. old 1st Gen. Anvilhang house pattern I played right of all the down and in righties 39' 19 ml puddle in the middle nothing to the outside which is what I would think the majority see. You can see my stats. in profile.

Played a line sliding 19...9 at arrows to 3-4 break point. Very high scoring entry angle. Didn't break down until game 3. Much like a Cheetah type situation.

DRY LANES WITH CLEAN BACK ENDS
pearl reactive or skid snap coverstock formulation, high RG (2.60), low Diff (.020), 4k Abralon and polish
Ogre SS fits this description to a T. 2.61 .027

VBP Ogre SS 90* (pin to PSA) x 5" x 65* no x hole OOB surface.

trash heap wrote on 1/23/2012 8:48 AM:
This is where league bowlers fail. They rather use their high end equipment and ruin the shot instead of working together to have some kind of shot in the third game. Most league bowlers are not thinking about down the road. It's all about the hook. I think alot would be surprised that they could use a pearl, move right, and have just as much or more success than using their high grit bowling ball.

Edited by trash heap on 1/23/2012 at 8:50 AM

Scott

Scott,the Ogre SS was a great ball,wish I kept mine. I just started using my slate blue gargoyle and love the reaction.

The harder I try the harder they fall

tywithay · « **Reply #26 on:** January 23, 2012, 01:28:13 PM »

I have a pretty high rev rate and on my house shot, I rarely have to move more than 2-3 boards in a 3 game set. Unless everyone is throwing nanos on old wood lanes, I just really cannot see the pattern drying that much, that fast. To me it sounds more like an argument of not knowing how to adjust though really. If the outside is that dry, switch to plastic. That much friction and nobody should have a problem getting back to the hole.

I'm sure the "super crankers" were probably using weaker bowling balls than you "normal" bowlers anyhow. If the "normal" bowlers are throwing down and in with super absorbent hook monsters, then I would say that the "normal" bowlers ruin the condition.

Gene J Kanak · « **Reply #27 on:** January 23, 2012, 02:04:39 PM »

I think that statement oversimplifies things a bit. Yes, a pair with a lot of high-rev players will tend to transition more quickly than a pair with straighter players. If you don't believe that, watch USBC's webcasts of the men's collegiate singles events as opposed to the women's events. The guys, with their higher rev rates, end up making a lot of those patterns look ugly because they're all trying their own thing. The ladies tend to play straighter and from similar lines, so they end up breaking the pattern in nicely. In any event, just because there are high-rev players, that doesn't necessarily mean that the shot will be ruined. If those high-rev players are all playing the lanes similiary and properly, the transition can quickly cause the pair to become super-walled and easy. That's why the PBA telecasts always discuss how players were breaking the pattern down during the practice time. It's also why the great USBC Open Championships teams openly discuss how they all commit to breaking the pattern down together. They take some lumps early on, but once they create some hook to the right and hold to the left (for right-handers), they all just start whacking away! So, basically, it's not about high-rev vs. low-rev. It's about everyone playing the lanes properly. If you can get everyone to do that, you will often find a very nice playing environment for people of all styles!

Another year, another arsenal of bowling balls, and I'm still a standard house hack!

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rhbowling07 · « **Reply #28 on:** January 23, 2012, 02:59:36 PM »

I'm a cranker and hardly anyone else I bowl In league are. So its the other way around for me my ball will move out, hit the dry boards that are from everyone else who throws the same shot and comes back too early after a game or so

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