Author Topic: Jeff Carter Rumors (Read 12065 times)

Coolerman · « **on:** October 16, 2009, 04:37:47 AM »

Jeff I'm hearing rumors regarding your bowling career.The rumors are not good.I will not go
any further because I don't know if they are true,but if it is something that you can tell us please
set me straight.

northface28 · « **Reply #46 on:** October 20, 2009, 12:01:55 PM »

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Yet the PGA Tour has between 2-40 million dollars per scheduled event??

http://frankosport.us/golf/Purse/index.html

How can they get that kind of sponsorship yet bowling can't? Golf is more boring then bowling. It is more difficult but bowling on the pattern's on tour aren't as easy either. Make's no sense to me. Same for the World Series of Poker, just saw a commercial for a new tournament soon with a purse of 8.4 mill??
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CHawk15 · « **Reply #47 on:** October 20, 2009, 12:47:00 PM »

I agree that if you're really that curious about the state of his bowling career, why not just PM him instead of putting him on the spot in a public forum. I don't think that's very respectful at all. What he wants to do with his life and bowling career is his business and if/when he wants the world to know, he'll say something. The reality of the PBA at the moment is that if you're not one of the top few, you're struggling to get by and one can only do that for so long, so it's only natural for rumors like this to come out about any touring pro that's not near the top at the moment. If he does answer you and tells you not to share it in a public forum, I hope that you respect his wishes.

TripFour · « **Reply #48 on:** October 20, 2009, 01:25:36 PM »

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I don''''t think anyone who has ever made a serious attempt at bowling has an illusion about its relative difficulty. When I''''m practicing, if I''''m nearby open bowlers, I do occasionally get asked questions from them about how I''''m scoring. They know something''''s different, and given that only about a tenth of league bowlers post high averages, that means there are a lot more guys in the 160-190 range who don''''t believe they''''re a step away from the tour.

Bowling has failed to educate their bowlers as to the difference between league shots and sport shots. When has it ever been explained to you in your leagues? Except for the times I have bowled PBAX, the oil patterns are never mentioned. Not once have I ever been given a handout or other educational materials.

Golf doesn''''t have to do this, because it''''s clear to any golfer who plays what the difference is -- they can turn around on the white tee box, look behind them 20-50 yards and see the black tees. No one has to tell them a thing at that point, because their brain can figure it out on its own.

As for football/baseball/basketball/etc., if you grew up learning a sport as a kid, you''''ll watch it as an adult. I''''d venture that Canadians are much more interested in youth- or club-level hockey than someone from Alabama. If we had larger youth bowling programs, we''''d probably have larger overall bowling audiences. Bowling may be the largest participatory sport, but not from an organized sense.

All of that is separate from the ad-buy issue, though. That breaks down strictly on a disposable income level and the other issues I mentioned before. As for *why* it is what it is, maybe if we had more kids involved in organized bowling at an earlier age, we''''d have a chance to get more kids from affluent families just based on the law of large numbers, and thus that would turn into more money being around the sport, thus more advertisers. But the overtly blue-collar lineage of the sport itself doesn''''t lend itself to the same kind of country club fans you see in golf (and thus, the advertisers interested in attracting said fans).

Jess

OK, I have to chime in here, because I''ve been explaining to people the reason bowling isn''t popular for years. It''s very simple: people don''t want to see pros do something they believe they can do better themselves.
It''s a simple problem of perception. Those of us on these boards know the difference between the shot we see in our leagues and what the pros see on Tour, but the general public has no clue and, frankly, doesn''t give a damn. All they see is a guy with a ball trying to knock down 10 pins. They don''t care so much about the minutia of the game. We do, because we have a more vested interest in it, but "Joe the Fan" doesn''t care. He wants to see someone shoot 300. If he was in his mixed league the night before and someone shot 300, he expects one of the pros to do it too. If they don''t, and the pattern continues, suddenly he decides to do something else with that 90 minutes of his Saturday/Sunday.
I do agree, though, that an advertiser doesn''t care about the credibility of a sport when deciding whether or not to buy air time, but if the sport has no credibility among the general public, they won''t watch. If they don''t watch, advertisers won''t buy time. If the advertisers don''t buy time, the sport, on TV at least, will die. Bowling made its bed a long time ago when the ABC decided to loosen its grip on how bowling alleys could set up the lanes. The proverbial genie has been let of her bottle and she ain''t goin'' back in any time soon.
Golf, on the other hand, is a very different animal, because it''s so damn hard. It doesn''t matter if the pros play from tees that are 50 yards behind what the weekend golfer plays from. The weekend player still isn''t going to shoot 66. That''''s why golf has always been more popular. It doesn''t have as much to do with the people who play it, as it does the skill level. Of course with Tiger coming on the scene, there are many more people who tune in just to watch him. As for the advertisers, it comes back to that dreaded "c" word...credibility. Golf has a ton of credibility with the casual fan, because they can easily see how difficult it is to play golf well. Hence, advertisers have been lining up for years to add their name to the cash cow known as the PGA Tour.

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JessN16 · « **Reply #49 on:** October 20, 2009, 10:02:24 PM »

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OK, I have to chime in here, because I''ve been explaining to people the reason bowling isn''t popular for years. It''s very simple: people don''t want to see pros do something they believe they can do better themselves.
It''s a simple problem of perception. Those of us on these boards know the difference between the shot we see in our leagues and what the pros see on Tour, but the general public has no clue and, frankly, doesn''t give a damn. All they see is a guy with a ball trying to knock down 10 pins. They don''t care so much about the minutia of the game. We do, because we have a more vested interest in it, but "Joe the Fan" doesn''t care. He wants to see someone shoot 300. If he was in his mixed league the night before and someone shot 300, he expects one of the pros to do it too. If they don''t, and the pattern continues, suddenly he decides to do something else with that 90 minutes of his Saturday/Sunday.
I do agree, though, that an advertiser doesn''t care about the credibility of a sport when deciding whether or not to buy air time, but if the sport has no credibility among the general public, they won''t watch. If they don''t watch, advertisers won''t buy time. If the advertisers don''t buy time, the sport, on TV at least, will die. Bowling made its bed a long time ago when the ABC decided to loosen its grip on how bowling alleys could set up the lanes. The proverbial genie has been let of her bottle and she ain''t goin'' back in any time soon.
Golf, on the other hand, is a very different animal, because it''s so damn hard. It doesn''t matter if the pros play from tees that are 50 yards behind what the weekend golfer plays from. The weekend player still isn''t going to shoot 66. That''''s why golf has always been more popular. It doesn''t have as much to do with the people who play it, as it does the skill level. Of course with Tiger coming on the scene, there are many more people who tune in just to watch him. As for the advertisers, it comes back to that dreaded "c" word...credibility. Golf has a ton of credibility with the casual fan, because they can easily see how difficult it is to play golf well. Hence, advertisers have been lining up for years to add their name to the cash cow known as the PGA Tour.

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I'll add this, though, as an example re: the advertisers -- explain the popularity of poker in both ratings and in the ad world. I know it's not a sport (although some try to claim it is), but it's marketed like one. And there is one "sport" that absolutely everyone not only CAN do, but also thinks they can do and do it well. You also see the same attitude reflected in some NASCAR fan circles (i.e., "if only I had a car like that, I could win the Daytona 500," etc.).

It's not always about the difficulty. If it was, triathlons would get the top advertising dollars. But you're lucky if you can even find one on television, much less anywhere other than Versus Network at 3 a.m.

Golf has the "mystique" factor that no other sport has. Don't ask me to explain it, because I can't. All I know is perfectly sane people will get dressed up in spats, knickers and a hat with a fuzzball on top of it and try to connect with their inner Scotsman.

Again, bowling's inability to educate the general public about the difficulty of the sport some 30-50 years ago is one of the prime drivers behind why we're at where we're at.

Jess

TripFour · « **Reply #50 on:** October 21, 2009, 01:01:02 PM »

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I'll add this, though, as an example re: the advertisers -- explain the popularity of poker in both ratings and in the ad world. I know it's not a sport (although some try to claim it is), but it's marketed like one. And there is one "sport" that absolutely everyone not only CAN do, but also thinks they can do and do it well. You also see the same attitude reflected in some NASCAR fan circles (i.e., "if only I had a car like that, I could win the Daytona 500," etc.).

It's not always about the difficulty. If it was, triathlons would get the top advertising dollars. But you're lucky if you can even find one on television, much less anywhere other than Versus Network at 3 a.m.

Golf has the "mystique" factor that no other sport has. Don't ask me to explain it, because I can't. All I know is perfectly sane people will get dressed up in spats, knickers and a hat with a fuzzball on top of it and try to connect with their inner Scotsman.

Again, bowling's inability to educate the general public about the difficulty of the sport some 30-50 years ago is one of the prime drivers behind why we're at where we're at.

Jess

Okay, the poker thing I have no clue about, because it makes no sense to me either. I can only guess it's so popular due to the large sums of money that are being bet at each tournament. Personally, it rivals soccer as the most boring thing I've ever seen. Maybe if I played cards I would feel differently, I don't know.

The thing with golf is that it is just so damn hard to be good at. People who play golf at all know this, which is why it is so popular. The PGA Tour and/or USGA have never had to educate people on the difficulty of golf, because it's readily apparent. The concept, hit a stationary ball into a stationary hole, sounds simple, but it is far from simple. You can take your average weekend golfer and give him/her as many lessons as possible, but chances are they'll still never be able to consistently break 90, let alone par.

The same would be true if the ABC hadn't begun to allow these scoring fests in leagues every week. I just believe that the ABC/USBC have dumbed the game down to a point where it's seen as a joke to a lot of people. You can tell someone how difficult the pros have it, but if they don't actually experience it for themselves, it won't have any impact.

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