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iiKingFox

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2 handed bowling
« on: July 09, 2017, 05:07:47 PM »
Hey guys. I went to a pro shop, ordered a ball coming in, in a few days.i said im a two hand bowler, like hook. Im fairly new to bowling. Do you think its worthtrying to improve at this,orjust switch to one hand bowling?

 

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Re: 2 handed bowling
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2017, 06:24:20 AM »
I am a two hander and my advise is what ever is comfortable to you. I can throw straight with two hands. If all you are worried about is the BIG HOOK, I would rethink bowling. You can look pretty and average 110 or do what works and average 190. Practice on spare shooting.
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Re: 2 handed bowling
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2017, 08:23:59 AM »
It depends on if you want to enjoy bowling as a lifetime participation game, or just as something to do when you are younger and maybe early middle aged. To generate any kind of ball speed with two hands, it has to come from your core, as you don't have the long swing plane in combination with a longer approach to naturally generate the speed for you. As you get older, it's much harder to twist your core in the fashion needed to promote enough ball speed to get the ball down the lane.
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Re: 2 handed bowling
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2017, 10:51:35 AM »
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Re: 2 handed bowling
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2017, 12:52:01 AM »
Having two sons who both are pretty fine throwers with two hands.

One started almost 20 years ago and the other just about 5.

Very little instruction from me Except I taught each of these better athletes (than me) the skip step.  IMHO it is the key to matching up the high no thumb revs (sorry WesleyLow)from two handed with rhe match up speed necessary.

Though we have an awesome two hander in this site not using the skip step he is the rarity. Most of the failures at it do not skip step, and therefore struggle to muscle up to where there speed and revs match up.

I see no justification for the ideas one cannot two hand to a late age. In our house we have a 70 year old doing it and throwing with both speed and revs.

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Re: 2 handed bowling
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2017, 07:35:39 AM »

I see no justification for the ideas one cannot two hand to a late age. In our house we have a 70 year old doing it and throwing with both speed and revs.

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Luckylefty

There is a video of a guy shooting a 300 game, walking backwards on the approach. Should we start teaching everyone to bowl backwards because one guy did it?

If it's so easy on the body to deliver a bowling ball with two hands, then why don't women and girls use the two handed delivery?

 Just because "one person" can do it, doesn't mean that it is safe to say the majority, or your average, everyday, normal 70 year old person, will be able to use their hips and core to generate decent ball speed to bowl two handed.

With that said, I'd like to see video of this 70 year old average male throwing it two handed.

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Re: 2 handed bowling
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2017, 09:51:32 AM »
I would like to see proof of this 70 y/o two hander as well.

There are a couple other forums I belong to not bowling related.  We have a saying there, "pics or it didn't happen!!!"

I've tried to post videos and pics here, but this forum website makes it darn near impossible.
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Re: 2 handed bowling
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2017, 10:30:42 AM »
Oh,

He just adopted it about 4 years ago and loves the power!

I would not describe him as average.

As to likening throwing the ridiculous backward method that leads to mostly mediocre results vs. Throwing powerful thrilling strikes and averages near 240 on league shots and championship titles in the PBA tour is quite a different thing.

I would think of two handed bowling like the two handed backhand in tennis.  Why would you use just one!  I believe it was  MO Pinel who said a while back that "someday in the future we will see a person bowling 1 handed and say why would he do that.?" Attempt at paraphrase.

Obviously if one starts to experience the pains and aches of old age they can always go back to 1 handed.

By the way have you seen Walter Ray throw two handed? Not bad!

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Re: 2 handed bowling
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2017, 01:21:48 PM »
Oh,

He just adopted it about 4 years ago and loves the power!

I would not describe him as average.

As to likening throwing the ridiculous backward method that leads to mostly mediocre results vs. Throwing powerful thrilling strikes and averages near 240 on league shots and championship titles in the PBA tour is quite a different thing.

I would think of two handed bowling like the two handed backhand in tennis.  Why would you use just one!  I believe it was  MO Pinel who said a while back that "someday in the future we will see a person bowling 1 handed and say why would he do that.?" Attempt at paraphrase.

Obviously if one starts to experience the pains and aches of old age they can always go back to 1 handed.

By the way have you seen Walter Ray throw two handed? Not bad!

Regards,

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Yes I have seen Walter throw it two hands, and he doesn't throw it all that fast. Plus, again, Walter isn't your typical bowler nor is he in the same shape of your typical 57 year old, either.

People who have been spending their whole young lives throwing it two handed, aren't just going to switch to one hand, to continue bowling, if they find they can't physically do it. That isn't consistent with typical human behavior.

You are forgetting the main reason why people throw it two handed in the first place, as you stated in your original post, they get a lot of hook with minimal time put in to the  learning curve.

It takes years to perfect a delivery to the likes of an Amleto, Robert Smith or in today's game, Malott, Kent, or Tackett. The two handed delivery is a quick fix to hooking the ball.   

And as far as the stats of the two handed players; the kind of oil, and where the majority of oil on the lane plays the tightest, is a big factor of why the high rev rate is so successful on today's tour.
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Re: 2 handed bowling
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2017, 03:28:19 PM »
There is no reason for a 57 year old 2 hander with good fitness and the proper timing/technique to not create sufficient ball speed to be successful.
There is also nothing from stopping you from converting back to a 1 hand delivery later on in life if that is what your body requires.
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Re: 2 handed bowling
« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2017, 03:42:30 PM »
I have been a two handed since 1992.  As I have gotten older (now 44 years old) I have gotten wiser.  I now use weaker equipment and go more for control than just big hook.  I can play 5th arrow with the best of them but my wheelhouse is the lower differential balls playing 12-15 at the arrows with breakpoint around 8-10.  Come to realize that with my roughly 100+ honors scores; the vast majority were with symmetrical cored balls with diffs under .04.  Examples listed below.

Green Gargoyle
Violent Eruption
Deep Freeze
Ebonite Black Ice

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