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BOWLAHOLIC300

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I'm tired of sees bowlers male and female miss every shot and still strike.  I witness a bowler tonight with about 250 revs, hit a different line almost every shot and shoot 300.  Something has to give?  Make the shots harder, to equal the equipment.  Sorry just my opinion.

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Oh, oh.  Another so called "pro" telling everybody how it's just a crime that a low rev player can shoot a 300.



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BOWLAHOLIC300

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Sorry,  no where near a pro.  I just think the shots are way too easy.  I'm not trying to offend anyone.  I just feel their should not be 10 boards of miss area.  Especially on a competitive league or tournament shots.  When you remove skill from the sport (bowling), you wind up with a game with EGO inflated THB'S.  Isn't watching football or baseball fun. Especially the skill positions. There is nothing wrong with a little luck shucks we all need that.  But on some of today's conditions some bowler are 70% luck and 30% skill.  Leave the wide open shot for open play.  Practice makes perfect.  not I can do what ever and the ball hits the pocket. 

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That's why most of the serious bowlers on here bowl Kegel patterns, PBA patterns, or sport patterns leagues.  You don't want to see bowlers have that kind of "ten board" area, step your game up and get out of a THS league.   



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It is not about stepping my game up. Already do all of the above.  It's about the game growing into a better sport.  At this rate  bowlers with your mentality this will always be a game and not a true sport. The true skill gets lost because when a average Joe in any league is not challenged but see a pro struggle a little on TV. They think they can do better. You don't see golf making bigger holes for handicap golfers.  They just give them Handicap.  I'll step my game up.  Who's gonna step the sport up?  Certainly not the THB'S. Bowling on the typical house shot all the time.  I remember when shooting a 200 game was a acompishment.  with today's equipment and conditions you can close your eyes and shoot 200 on the easy house shot.   Anyway Have fun keep bowling. 

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Not worth worrying or bitching about. 



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avabob

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I started bowling 50 years ago, and am probably wasting my time with this post, but here goes anyway. 

 

 What is wrong with the game today was wrong with it longer than any of you can remember, and what was good about the game then is still good about it.  The bad thing about bowling is that the lane condition can have proportionately more impact over who wins than it should compared to skill and execution.  However that was just as true 40 years ago as it is today. 

 

When I started the game the top players could play multiple angles, and most threw strong ( for the time ) semi roller releases.  However,  there were still plenty of corner shot specialists who usually threw full rollers, and were often unbeatable on their shot.  None of them were very competitive if there was oil on the corner and a decent track inside.  I knew guys who averaged 215+ in the early 70's who never even bowled scratch tournaments unless it was in their house.     Lots of guys who averaged 200 back then thought they were as good as guys on the tour, and so did the rest of the league bowlers who were always saying  "you should think about going pro". 

 

The game has been evolving for as long as any of us can remember.  The great bowlers of the pre 1950 era either totally changed their game, or became non competitive when lacquer lane finish replaced shellac.   As lane finishes got harder in the 70's with the introduction of urethane lane finish, and eventually synthetic surfaces, yet another style of release became dominant, and the straighter players were replaced by power players. 

 

In recent years as friction of balls has increased more ball speed is required to go with higher rev rates, necessitating yet a different type of optimum release. 

 

One thing has never changed.  Anyone can get hot in the short run, and it always takes more games for the cream to rise to the top.  In 1970 I might have lost to a house hack who shoots 230 with a bunch of brooklyns, while today it is to a power player who can only hit a wall, but blasts 260 at me while I leave 3 corner pins and shoot 210.  Neither of these guys can beat me over the course of a league season, or even a longer format tournament in most cases. 

 

Bottom line, bowling, like life, isn't always fair, and it is often better to be lucky than good.  However, the harder I work the luckier I get.  It feels just as good to make a great shot with my Nano today as it did with my Black Beauty in 1964. 

 

 

 

 

  



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Well put, sir.



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avabob wrote on 5/22/2011 9:39 AM:
I started bowling 50 years ago, and am probably wasting my time with this post, but here goes anyway. 

 

 What is wrong with the game today was wrong with it longer than any of you can remember, and what was good about the game then is still good about it.  The bad thing about bowling is that the lane condition can have proportionately more impact over who wins than it should compared to skill and execution.  However that was just as true 40 years ago as it is today. 

 

When I started the game the top players could play multiple angles, and most threw strong ( for the time ) semi roller releases.  However,  there were still plenty of corner shot specialists who usually threw full rollers, and were often unbeatable on their shot.  None of them were very competitive if there was oil on the corner and a decent track inside.  I knew guys who averaged 215+ in the early 70's who never even bowled scratch tournaments unless it was in their house.     Lots of guys who averaged 200 back then thought they were as good as guys on the tour, and so did the rest of the league bowlers who were always saying  "you should think about going pro". 

 

The game has been evolving for as long as any of us can remember.  The great bowlers of the pre 1950 era either totally changed their game, or became non competitive when lacquer lane finish replaced shellac.   As lane finishes got harder in the 70's with the introduction of urethane lane finish, and eventually synthetic surfaces, yet another style of release became dominant, and the straighter players were replaced by power players. 

 

In recent years as friction of balls has increased more ball speed is required to go with higher rev rates, necessitating yet a different type of optimum release. 

 

One thing has never changed.  Anyone can get hot in the short run, and it always takes more games for the cream to rise to the top.  In 1970 I might have lost to a house hack who shoots 230 with a bunch of brooklyns, while today it is to a power player who can only hit a wall, but blasts 260 at me while I leave 3 corner pins and shoot 210.  Neither of these guys can beat me over the course of a league season, or even a longer format tournament in most cases. 

 

Bottom line, bowling, like life, isn't always fair, and it is often better to be lucky than good.  However, the harder I work the luckier I get.  It feels just as good to make a great shot with my Nano today as it did with my Black Beauty in 1964. 

 

 

 

 

  


I agree with this 140%. Not only has there been a change in lanes finishes this includes synthetics, there has been changes to the oils, different lane machines and lane maintenance procedures. Lanes can be be blocked better today than years ago. The only change that has not occurred is how easy the pins fall. As for league bowling, luck has always been and always will be there. The true test for a bowler is sport patterns and the PBA. This is why I don't worry about house bowlers getting lucky to shoot honor scores and why a person's average on house shots has no relevance to me whatsoever.

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 Ok..I'm gonna put a different 2 cents in..lol..I have worked at different centers through the years and all remains the same..your typical league bowlers will always complain about the shot...there will always be a nice area to play with on a ths...centers put out these shots to bump scores and averages to keep the bowlers happy and to keep their leagues filled. You put out harder shots and you lose bowlers..plain and simple.

Yes you have your pba and sport leagues..but how many of your thb participate in that? Not many because they don't want to struggle throwing the bowling ball. People want to score and average high..I played with various shots to put out and let the league bowlers throw on them to get their opinion..but people always liked different ones so it was hard to please them all.. bowling centers want to fill their leagues and see people bowl good..

The new equipment does help less rev players..but you still have to throw the ball..and hope carry is good..luck is and always will be a big part of your ths leagues...I bowl in a 12 lane house..synthetic lanes and the ths was 39 ft typical 5 to 5 xmas tree..but a month into the season they changed oil and the shot..they put out a 42 ft ths...some bowlers adjusted to it and some didn't..definately made the carry down a challenge..all in all house shots are made to keep the bowlers nothing more.I also agree with you that I wish ths were a little harder but that just won't happen because bowling centers don't want to lose league bowlers. Just my opinion and observation..

Jeff


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avabob wrote on 5/22/2011 9:39 AM:
I started bowling 50 years ago, and am probably wasting my time with this post, but here goes anyway. 

 

 What is wrong with the game today was wrong with it longer than any of you can remember, and what was good about the game then is still good about it.  The bad thing about bowling is that the lane condition can have proportionately more impact over who wins than it should compared to skill and execution.  However that was just as true 40 years ago as it is today. 

 

When I started the game the top players could play multiple angles, and most threw strong ( for the time ) semi roller releases.  However,  there were still plenty of corner shot specialists who usually threw full rollers, and were often unbeatable on their shot.  None of them were very competitive if there was oil on the corner and a decent track inside.  I knew guys who averaged 215+ in the early 70's who never even bowled scratch tournaments unless it was in their house.     Lots of guys who averaged 200 back then thought they were as good as guys on the tour, and so did the rest of the league bowlers who were always saying  "you should think about going pro". 

 

The game has been evolving for as long as any of us can remember.  The great bowlers of the pre 1950 era either totally changed their game, or became non competitive when lacquer lane finish replaced shellac.   As lane finishes got harder in the 70's with the introduction of urethane lane finish, and eventually synthetic surfaces, yet another style of release became dominant, and the straighter players were replaced by power players. 

 

In recent years as friction of balls has increased more ball speed is required to go with higher rev rates, necessitating yet a different type of optimum release. 

 

One thing has never changed.  Anyone can get hot in the short run, and it always takes more games for the cream to rise to the top.  In 1970 I might have lost to a house hack who shoots 230 with a bunch of brooklyns, while today it is to a power player who can only hit a wall, but blasts 260 at me while I leave 3 corner pins and shoot 210.  Neither of these guys can beat me over the course of a league season, or even a longer format tournament in most cases. 

 

Bottom line, bowling, like life, isn't always fair, and it is often better to be lucky than good.  However, the harder I work the luckier I get.  It feels just as good to make a great shot with my Nano today as it did with my Black Beauty in 1964. 

 

 

 

 

  




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avabob

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I wouldn't say I am optimistic about the future of the sport, but I do see things I like.   The best scratch league I found in the Phoenix area is a sport sanctioned league.  Plenty of guys still want to throw good scores, but I don't see as much complaining about tougher patterns.  Most local scratch tournaments I bowl are on tournament patterns anymore. 

 

The game has always been appealing to people for multiple reasons and on a lot of levels.  I think that is still true.  For the people who don't get satisfaction out of the game I can understand that.  The same is true of golf.  There are so many choices of things to do in todays world that most paticipation sports are going to be niche at top levels. 



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Bowling will rebound, but we will hit rock bottom first.  Everything does this at one point or another.  Look at what happened to poker too.  Something gets big and really popular, and all the sudden you have a lot of people jumping into the bandwagon.  Then the new people affect a lot of change in the game, but expose a lot of problems too.  Then when the problems are exacerbated and finally become too much to ignore, the bandwagon jumpers lose interest and migrate to something else, leaving only the purists that were already there in the first place.  These purists will fix the problems, keep the sport alive, and then begin building it again.  The PBA will die, but will be replaced with something else.  The PBA is struggling to maintain what they had instead of abandoning the ship with its problems and starting again.  One thing is more exposure.  One problem has always been that out of several players on tour, you only see 4 or 5 at a time on Sunday.  You think the PGA would be as big if they only had the last few holes of the final on Sunday?  Or if you only saw the World Series deciding game instead of the entire playoffs? 


That's just like, your opinion, man.

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game has gotten worse.
bowlers have gotten even worse.
but, its a part of the game now.
you dont have to like it, but, it is what it is.
No fault to the manufacturers either.
they dove into technological advancements like any other sport.
Athletes are bigger and stronger in every sport too.
 
golf: graphite composite shafts and driver heads the size of a VW beetle.
football: training drills, more scouting, bigger stronger pads
baseball: bat material, smaller ball parks, smaller stike zone
tennis: racket strength, ball design
bowling: advanced ball design, lane condition/material
 
TECHNOLOGICAL ADVANCEMENTS are the problem, which is life... so sorry. 
 


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I agree on the technology.  Bowling is no different than golf.  Bowling just doesn't withstand technology advances the way golf does.  The main reason is putting, which counts as much as tee to green play.  There simply has been no technology that really makes putting easier, whether you are hitting into the green with a 5 iron or pitching wedge.