Author Topic: "It won't make the turn..." (Read 1096 times)

Ragnar · « **on:** March 28, 2005, 07:16:45 AM »

I hear this over and over about balls for heavy oil. Leaving aside for the moment the question of exactly what heavy oil might be, why is it necessary for a ball to "make a turn?" The one and only time I've ever encountered what was, without question, heavy oil (so heavy you could barely pick the ball up, it was so slick) I used a ball that made no turn whatsoever. On "rooster-tail" oil, for at least 48 feet I used an El-Nino Wrath and finished second in an eight gamer. Played straight off the outside to the hole. All I asked was that the ball tilt a bit before it hit - it didn't have to "turn" to carry.

Seems to me that folks need to get over the fixation of covering boards/turning to really learn to play the soup.
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guzmand19 · « **Reply #1 on:** March 28, 2005, 04:28:40 PM »

Aside from the "it looks cool" angle which unfortunately seems to be the rage, I think the big hook also allows for some crazy carry angles. We do know that the big benders seem to get away with more off pocket hits than your strokers, who usually have to be more precise. However, on the tougher shot, give me a stroker who can hit his target than the spray and pray-er.

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MSC2471 · « **Reply #2 on:** March 28, 2005, 05:07:33 PM »

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If you can get a ball into the proper roll, it miminizes the amount of entry angle necessary for good carry. The toughest condition to carry on isn't the dead slick condition. It is the condition where the heads have dried a little but there are no back ends. In this case the ball will burn off some rotational energy and you get neither an effective roll or good entry angle on the back end.

Bob: I agree that the combination of drier heads plus little back end equals a lot of trouble for carry compared to heavy oil. I've learned to play tighter angles to increase my carry on a heavy oil shot- and you have to be much more precise with your ball speed, leverage, and hand release in order to increase your effectiveness on this condition.

What would you consider the best coverstock and layout combination to combat the dry heads with little back end situation for a higher speed stroker? Or any other style for that matter...?

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Phillip Marlowe · « **Reply #3 on:** March 28, 2005, 05:09:15 PM »

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If you can get a ball into the proper roll, it miminizes the amount of entry angle necessary for good carry. The toughest condition to carry on isn't the dead slick condition. It is the condition where the heads have dried a little but there are no back ends. In this case the ball will burn off some rotational energy and you get neither an effective roll or good entry angle on the back end.

Oops, see this all the time...and can't figure out what to do.

Turn the corner relates to whether the ball bites. If the ball doesn't bite, you can't get carry, Rags, remember the five pins at Bowlaway with that ancient thing you threw in '75? Turn the corner is merely a shorthand for does the ball have a reactive or strong move creating angle and bite. At least in my use...
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pin-chaser · « **Reply #4 on:** March 28, 2005, 07:39:01 PM »

I once was a guy with 8 revs in the late 70's bowling for 1000 a game. He played straight to the 3 pin and 3 feet in front of the pocket the ball would simply turn over into the pocket. He shot a 300 and 2 x 260's in a 3 game set... his opponent said, he cant do that again, and he shot another 800 next next set. By the end of the night he won 10,000. The next day I asked him why he was throwing it like that and that I could not understand how he was striking so much. He took me out on the lanes and showed me how he controled the power of the ball and explained that getting the ball to hit the pins closer to the release of energy was the key.

Turning the corner is not a priority and never should be. The right roll into the pocket that dont allow defection or over reaction through the pins is the key.
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Pinbuster · « **Reply #5 on:** March 29, 2005, 06:30:46 AM »

Having the ball release its energy at the correct spot on the lanes is the key.

That is why so many styles can be effective. The successful bowers have learn the match their equipment, line, speed, and roll in such a way as to get the ball to energize the pins.

Author Topic: "It won't make the turn..." (Read 1096 times)

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