Author Topic: How did one bowler escape Reno 'reality check'? (Read 7925 times)

Mighty Fish · « **on:** September 09, 2011, 05:21:32 AM »

Following is a column I wrote about area bowlers' performances in the USBC tournament in Reno:

http://www.examiner.com/bowling-in-st-pe...ship-tournament

Would anyone be "suspicious" of the Classified Division performance of the bowler (mentioned in the second and third paragraphs) who bucked the trend and rolled 216-over-average for nine games?

Some information about the bowler:

* He hadn't posted a 21-game average for at least a decade UNTIL establishing a 163 average for 27 games (apparently prior to Jan. 1 of this year) in a youth-adult league.

* His previous two averages were: 187 for 6 games in 2003-04 and 184 for 20 games in 2002-03.

* He is a bowling coach.

* He competed in such things as Mini-Eliminators as recently as 2004.

* He earned an 11-in-a-row award for a 290 game en route to a 799 series at a local center in 1998.

* He rolled a 678 series for a high finish in a local Champion of Champions tournament in 1999.

* He helped his team to the title in this year's association championship tournament, in which he entered with the 163 average and posted high finishes in each event.

... and it took less than 10 minutes of research to find that much. Any comments?

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Mighty Fish · « **Reply #31 on:** September 24, 2011, 06:24:44 PM »

Dear TWOHANDS834:

To clarify, Lisa Wagner is in the USBC Hall of Fame, as well as the Professional Women's Bowling Association Hall of Fame. She is also a member of the Florida state bowling Hall, BUT SHE IS NOT A MEMBER OF THE LOCAL HALL OF FAME in the area in which she came up through the junior leagues and posted an impressive local league record before going out on tour and becoming female Bowler of The Decade.

BrianCRX90 · « **Reply #32 on:** September 25, 2011, 03:49:35 PM »

RyanRPS wrote on 9/10/2011 11:19 AM: Just playing devils advocate here, but whats to say this guy didn't play on a big wall of china for years, averaging 210-220, then decided to test his abilities by joining a sport shot league, where he dropped to a more reaslistic average?

wtf does the lane condition have to do with anything

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On Further Review · « **Reply #33 on:** September 25, 2011, 05:02:59 PM »

A true sandbagger can do his thing no matter what the conditions are.

If Obamacare is so great why are so many waivers being asked for and given?

Mighty Fish · « **Reply #34 on:** September 26, 2011, 11:22:18 AM »

There are so many loopholes in the rules, making it possible to sidestep those rules to one's advantage. And when you couple that with the fact that USBC doesn't always follow or enforce its own rules, problems and/or controversy can arise.

rollingthunder · « **Reply #35 on:** September 26, 2011, 12:47:57 PM »

I am not defending the guy because I don't know him but it's possible he was bowling with an injury when he established the 163 average. Last year I had achilles tendon surgery before the season and because of it my finishing average was 175. My book average for the 6 season before last year were 190+.

Mighty Fish · « **Reply #36 on:** September 26, 2011, 01:14:32 PM »

Dear rollingthunder:

Would you find it a little curious (at a minimum) to consider that the average was established prior to Jan. 1 -- thus qualifying for an official average -- and that he didn't bowl league after that, yet apparently had no problem bowling tournaments at local, state and national levels?

rollingthunder · « **Reply #37 on:** September 26, 2011, 01:30:56 PM »

I agree that does look bad that he didn't bowl league again after Jan. 1st.

Mighty Fish wrote on 9/26/2011 1:14 PM:Dear rollingthunder:

Would you find it a little curious (at a minimum) to consider that the average was established prior to Jan. 1 -- thus qualifying for an official average -- and that he didn't bowl league after that, yet apparently had no problem bowling tournaments at local, state and national levels?

Mighty Fish · « **Reply #38 on:** September 26, 2011, 07:34:34 PM »

... and of course, that will remain his yearbook average throughout the upcoming season, unless he bowls at least 21 games in a league prior to Jan. 1 of the current season.

Skip H · « **Reply #39 on:** September 27, 2011, 08:41:52 AM »

I normally don't bowl in tournaments other than USBC nationals and our state tournament. I believe our state tournament is a handicap tournament. This year I dropped out of the one league that I have been in for years (usually averaging close to 210) and got into a Sport league where my average is down considerably but I really enjoy the league and the challenge. If I average 30 pins less in this league should I insist that I bowl scratch in a handicap tournament? I hope I can start to figure out how to play these lanes better and don't average quite this low all year.

tburky · « **Reply #40 on:** September 27, 2011, 10:55:00 AM »

Sand bagging happens in nearly all tournaments. Until the decision is made that all bowlers bowl scratch it is going to continue to happen. Just a fact of life.

Mighty Fish · « **Reply #41 on:** September 27, 2011, 03:04:33 PM »

Dear Skip H:

If you bowl exclusively in a Sport league, you would be subject to the Sport Average conversion table if you were to enter handicap or classified competition. Hence, you wouldn't be able to use your "new" average (as you seem to think you would be able to do).

ccrider · « **Reply #42 on:** September 27, 2011, 05:15:49 PM »

Mighty Fish wrote on 9/26/2011 7:34 PM:... and of course, that will remain his yearbook average throughout the upcoming season, unless he bowls at least 21 games in a league prior to Jan. 1 of the current season.

Fish,
Are you saying that his book average will change to his current league average if he bowls more than 21 games before Jan 1 2012? If that is true, most of the bowlers in my area bshoul be rerated come Jan 1, 2012. I have never seen it done.

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Mighty Fish · « **Reply #43 on:** September 27, 2011, 05:45:45 PM »

Dear ccrider:

His book average won't change ... but as you may know, many tournaments have a 10-pin-over rule, and if a bowler is averaging more than 10 pins higher than his/her yearbook average as of Jan. 1, he/she is obligated to report the Jan. 1 average for possible tournament rerate.

Skip H · « **Reply #44 on:** September 27, 2011, 08:54:23 PM »

I'm not feeling that I should be allowed to carry handicap that really isn't fair. It really won't matter much in the upcoming year anyway. I believe our state tournament will go off of last years average. The following year will be the issue if I weren't to sub a minimum of 21 games in a house shot this year. If you can direct me to this conversion chart I would appreciate it. I would like to know how this chart can magically figure out a house shot average from a sport shot average.

Mighty Fish · « **Reply #45 on:** September 28, 2011, 02:30:34 AM »

Dear Skip H:

This link will display the Sport Bowling League Average Adjustment Table ... http://usbcongress.http.internapcdn.net/usbcongress/bowl/rulebook/Rulebook_rev041310/202a._Scale.htm

[For more information, go to bowl.com]

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