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scotts33

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It's ALL in the Hand
« on: September 10, 2007, 04:09:05 PM »
This may go with one of Deadbait's threads about wrist supports.  

First, I have used wrist supports in the past so I am not anit-wrist support.  Wrist supports for those that have weak wrists and health problems make sense..I do have to say I see many use wrist supports that don't need them AND this is what they are missing which I don't see posted much.

After, you have some experience with lane conditions and equipment....the bowler that can adjust with ALL the factors involved......moving feet, line, trajectory, speed and equipment........the biggest factor to strike and that's the release.  Folks with wrist supports even the one's you can adjust just don't have that complete freedom.  That's why free handed releases rule in bowling.

Case in point tonite...I'm not rolling the ball particularily well..but at the line <the moment of truth I spin one> a lil more than the previous shots that I have a heavy roll on...that's all it took a lil hand adjustment/release and I could feel it off my hand.  Bowlers with wrist supports never feel this and are at a loss when competing with bowlers that can.  Granted it takes time and experience but over time it's something that should be taught and relied upon.  In reality, the bolwer with the free release is a factor that is hard to beat.

More should be taught and dealt with on free handed release and what the bowler can impart on a bowling ball.  I have the same PAP with a wrist support and free handed BUT the ability to change ball motion free handed is killer.

To be a great bowler one can not be one dimensional.  On THS lane conditions bowlers can be one dimensional.


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Re: It's ALL in the Hand
« Reply #16 on: September 11, 2007, 12:20:24 PM »
I don't think so at least for me notclay.

Example....you get to the line technique "feels" good but at the last second you know you have to spin it a little more to hold the line.  This kind of "feeling" I see more as a swet progresses.  maybe it's in my head but I think not.  I've also seen very good bowlers do the same thing....that lil more a of a spin or a lil more hit...it's just a factor that I can not feel with a wrist support on.  

I'm sure everybody is not the same.  It's on the tougher conditions that I see the benfits of more adjustments with hand/release as being the largest help.  On China who cares.....yes/no?  


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Re: It's ALL in the Hand
« Reply #17 on: September 11, 2007, 12:45:33 PM »
scotts33,

Okay, if you can make the split second adjustment you're better than most. I cannot disagree with you since we don't bowl together.  I will trust your opinion.

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Re: It's ALL in the Hand
« Reply #18 on: September 11, 2007, 01:34:31 PM »
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The problem is, you're just guessing as to what another bowler "feels".

If you have to make these last split second adjustments more than once or twice a game, I would suggest you may have a problem with your general approach. It has nothing to do with whether you wear a brace or not.

 


Could be Cristofori.....I've been thinking about this for awhile.  I'm a big observer of great talent.  I consider myself a house hack but better at making adjustments than most.  I've observed in my area which has many very talented bowlers this very factor that I mention.  Maybe I am full of it.  This is not what I observe.
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Re: It's ALL in the Hand
« Reply #19 on: September 11, 2007, 01:51:53 PM »
Hmmm...maybe the "feel" you speak of is more dependent on the fact that you aren't used to wearing a wrist brace.  I can't get any kind of a feel bowling WITHOUT a brace!  
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Re: It's ALL in the Hand
« Reply #20 on: September 11, 2007, 05:55:44 PM »
Star,

Have you looked at Steel Fingers.  They also have a wrist support that really isn't a wrist support pre se, but it supprts the Steel Fingers.


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Re: It's ALL in the Hand
« Reply #21 on: September 11, 2007, 10:35:08 PM »
I've probably used every wrist brace made at one point or another. Now I'm bowling without one. I've been brace-free since December '06.

I broke both arms at the same time at age 12. That followed a severe right wrist injury when I was 4. When I first started bowling competitively around 17, I had to get a brace or it just wasn't going to work for me.

Whether that turned into a crutch or not, I don't know, but I do know from age 17 to 33 I was a brace aficionado. I finally ditched it after running into Mike Machuga at a pro-am in Birmingham a couple of years ago. He told me how most of the pros despised the braces and the people who wore them. I had no idea there was such animosity.

I'd always wanted a snappy release like his, and I knew I wasn't going to get it with a brace (it does limit your wrist snap considerably). So I started a training regimen and started taking lessons. I ditched the brace and was bowling fine for about three weeks, and then I noticed a twinge in my wrist one night while I was bowling in a PBA league.

I didn't think much about it that night; I went home, went to bed, and got up the next morning with a wrist on fire.

Over the next few months I was on and off of bowling in general, and was in and out of a brace. I finally gave up and decided to just go to the brace at the start of fall league in 2006, but then I got transferred with my job.

I moved back to Alabama from Tennessee and forgot to pack a brace with me. I was going to be here about three months before the moving company could get my stuff down here. So I bought a brace (a Storm Strongarm, the only thing I could find) and struggled with it. Finally one night, I was tired of shooting 160s, so I ditched the brace one last time.

I quit having pain, but my average fell as low as 156 the week before Christmas. By the end of the year, I had it back up to 187. I've been pain-free ever since and I hope it continues. I'm looking to average 195-200 this year on a THC shot that's not really a full-blown "cheater" shot (I've bowled on cheater shots, I know them when I see them, and we don't have one).

Some of the things I learned:

* Without the brace, I had more wrist snap. With it, less strain on my wrist (can't figure out why Deadbait says there is more strain on the wrist -- there isn't).

* With the brace, though, more strain on the fingers. (Steel Fingers is a good product to reduce finger strain)

* With the brace, I can throw with more speed, impart more forward roll and do a better job on dry lanes.

* Without the brace, I'm much more versatile, much more consistent, can make small adjustments more easily and I've got better form.

Braces have their place. They don't necessarily make you a better bowler. One thing I disagree with Machuga on is that they're a great advantage. Well, maybe. Only if you know how to use one. It's a tool, and people misuse tools frequently. But it definitely helps the weak-wristed bowl with the strong-wristed.

If you're going to go from brace to no brace, budget two years and check your ego at the door. But I bet 90% of the people who make the commitment can do it. I did, despite my previous injuries.

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Re: It's ALL in the Hand
« Reply #22 on: September 12, 2007, 09:24:31 AM »
I am beginning to think that there must be someone out there that hates everyone!

I mean, there are Lane #1 haters, Brunswick haters, Ebo haters, both sides of the CGNOMADDAH argument who hate the other side, backup bowler haters, lefty haters, righty haters, two hander haters, cranker haters, stroker haters, fluffer haters and now ..... wrist support haters.  LOL!

It doesn't matter!  If you think you need one, use it and bowl (but don't forget to get your ball fitted whilst wearing it).

Myself I used one for many years until one day my wrist support broke and, at the time, I didn't have enough money to buy a new one, so it was kind of learn to do without it or stop bowling.  

So now I don't need to use one any more.

I'm bowling better than ever, but I don't think that it has anything to do with a wrist support (or lack thereof).
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Re: It's ALL in the Hand
« Reply #23 on: September 12, 2007, 09:26:17 AM »
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If you think you need one, use it and bowl (but don't forget to get your ball fitted whilst wearing it).
Great point!  Wearing a wrist support will definately change the way your hand fits and comes out of a ball.

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Re: It's ALL in the Hand
« Reply #24 on: September 13, 2007, 08:14:44 AM »
A wrist support CAN be a handy thing. Just like at the doctor, you need a proper diagnosis and then select the correct remedy to the problem. I tried some models when I was searching for more revs (deluded by the dark side of the Force...) and found that they can do very different things - for the good and the bad!

IMHO opinion, using one to fight a serious problem like a wrist injury or its prevention is a wise step. Neverthless, if you can play without one, then do so, because nothing beats the feeling of a free hand during the release.

Personally, I started with a small Robby piece when I began bowling, because my wrist was weak and simply broke. Did some training, and it went for the better, even bought a big ProRelease because I thought I could put more revs and hook on the ball through it (No!), but had a severe hand damage almost 2 years ago because I'd snap the wrist too hard without support, and I spread my finger too much.
Today, I can play without a brace - but I do not dare to take long sessions. 3 games, not more, because I still have wrist issues. I use the Moro now, it lay around, and for health reason gave it a try and it works. I just leave the palm strap open - I still have a free wrist, but the rest for the back of the hand takes the ball's weight in the pendulum, which has been causing trouble for me in the past.

Funny thing is that I'd put more revs on a ball without the support - but since my release stability has improved, I gladly sacrifice RPM for a better and overall more consistent shot.

I would not condemn a wrist support. I'd just seriously consider if it will really help me. If you have a bad release, a support won't help. Then the money is better invested in a coach.
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Re: It's ALL in the Hand
« Reply #25 on: September 13, 2007, 12:35:05 PM »
Nicanor, I tried to buy the steel fingers first before I made my own wrist/fingers support. However he was just in talks with a distributor in the UK and he was not able to sell them to me due to that fact.

I went ahead, as was in a lot of pain at the time and made my own. Its probably not as substantial and hard wearing as the steel fingers but it has helped me no end.

I agree with several of the members that if youre making more than 2 "corrections" in a game then something maybe wrong. How often have you gone up to the line and known you were a couple of boards to the right/left and then made a correction? Or felt that you were inside or outside with your swingplane?

I know through a lot of practice if Ive wandered more than a board or where my hand is and I can still make the correction I need with my device but I struggled with a Storm one that I use occasionally in practice. However if you become used to wearing one then Im sure a lot of bowlers will find a way of making some sort of correction while still wearing one.

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Re: It's ALL in the Hand
« Reply #26 on: September 13, 2007, 01:24:06 PM »
Where is the skill, when you have a huge hunk of metal holding your wrist in position for you?  Bowling is after all a game of skill.

/sacrasm on

 I propose the USBC institute an automatic penalty to the score of any game bowled with the help of a mecha-brace!!  Each brace sould be inspected by the USBC and given a penalty rating.  Lets say those flimsy leather w/small metal backing rate a 2 pin penalty, and the most insane Mecha-Swing-Throwthedamnball4U brace would rate an automatic 25 pin penalty.  Unless of course you have a signed and noterized note from your doctor and/or your duely elected congressman.  In which case the penalty would be lifted until such time as you are medically cleared to play.  But what would that do really.  That would just give birth to a whole new breed of sandbagger.

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Re: It's ALL in the Hand
« Reply #27 on: September 13, 2007, 02:07:24 PM »
well... lazy guy I am I will ust shoot out my oppinion and you can deal with it :

On THS one dimension is enough that is why a lot of bowlers use wrist supports... I have seen strong healthy men use a wrist support and a glove and a "undergo" (something like this:http://www.mgbowling.com/images/products/EBO830EA.jpg)... why? well not cause they can'T hold their 15lbs balls

The wrist support makes then more stable... this is the same reason why archers and shooters use very stiff cloth etc.

My oppinon on this:

May everyone get happy his way... I just find it funny to see those strong healthy men complain about their wrist support during the summer when it is hot under all the foam and stuff... or pull their wrist support of right after the game or even during the game as if it was something disgusting

My oppinion... ... deal with it
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