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Title: Ball to clear drying heads but break smoothly?
Post by: splendorlex on March 19, 2007, 11:01:42 AM: What seems to me is that many "dry" lane balls do in fact clear the heads nicely, but really can take off when they hit dry boards towards the back of the pattern. I play in ABT tourneys, and I need something that can get through drying heads on a flatter pattern without overreacting off the dry. Any thoughts on what direction to go, both in terms of ball and layout? If you just have an idea on what I should look for in diff, rg, cover prep etc. that's fine too. I'm just not sure what it is I need to do what I want it to do.
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Title: Re: Ball to clear drying heads but break smoothly?
Post by: monstercrank on March 19, 2007, 07:05:17 PM: the newer pure hammer. that ball is sick for what you are looking for.
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Title: Re: Ball to clear drying heads but break smoothly?
Post by: abbi3d00bi3 on March 19, 2007, 07:08:25 PM: pain!
Title: Re: Ball to clear drying heads but break smoothly?
Post by: splendorlex on March 19, 2007, 07:11:19 PM: I actually have a Pain already, but feel it's too strong for this. Maybe if I messed with the surface? How would you alter the surface on the Pain? It's 2000 OOB.
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Mr. Lebowski, this is Bill Salnicker with the Southern Cal Bowling League, and I just got a, an informal report, that a member of your team, uh, Walter Sobchak, drew a firearm during league play. If this is true of course, it contravenes a number of the league's by-laws, and article 27 of the league...

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Title: Re: Ball to clear drying heads but break smoothly?
Post by: psaunders300 on March 19, 2007, 07:19:21 PM: You should take a look at the InSite Prophecy. It is a solid polished reactive that has the reaction you are looking for. Mine is drilled with the pin under the ring finger and the cg in line with the pin. I used this ball in a ten game marathon tourney this weekend when the heads blew up after 5 or 6 games. I was able to move in off the gutter to a 15 to 10 line and had a great smooth reaction.
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Title: Re: Ball to clear drying heads but break smoothly?
Post by: Re-Evolution on March 19, 2007, 07:40:20 PM: Desert Heat if you can still find one or Neptune both have a weak core and cover.

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Title: Re: Ball to clear drying heads but break smoothly?
Post by: rackattack on March 19, 2007, 08:58:55 PM: I use a polished Red Zone.Pin up center of grip Mb in line under thumb.Smooth arc reaction.
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Title: Re: Ball to clear drying heads but break smoothly?
Post by: thfonz98 on March 19, 2007, 09:00:13 PM: blue ice. Low flaring stinger core.

Works for me at least.
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Title: Re: Ball to clear drying heads but break smoothly?
Post by: JessN16 on March 19, 2007, 11:12:29 PM: quote:
blue ice. Low flaring stinger core.

Works for me at least.
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I'm not typically an Ebonite guy but this recommendation is dead-on. I have one of these balls and I've only found a couple of conditions it's too strong for.

If you feel comfortable messing with your layouts, here's a suggestion: Get a pearl particle ball, and drill it with extremely long pin-to-PAP layouts, basically "drill it lefty" if that makes any sense. If you can keep it from tracking over the holes, I've found that drill to offer a lot of easy length and a smooth (but deliberate) turn off the try. I have an old Storm X-Factor ReLoaded drilled this way and while it's very condition-specific, it performs very well on that condition.

Roto Grip's Mercury is another good choice. So is a Visionary Slate Blue Gargoyle once things get even drier.

Jess
Title: Re: Ball to clear drying heads but break smoothly?
Post by: Joe Jr on March 19, 2007, 11:36:03 PM: Well, hope that narrowed down your search... LOL

PS I'd recommend the Neptune.
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Title: Re: Ball to clear drying heads but break smoothly?
Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on March 20, 2007, 07:59:29 AM: What about the Venus? How does that one compare to the Neptune?

I thought the Neptune was a particle pearl but oops! Never mind!

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Title: Re: Ball to clear drying heads but break smoothly?
Post by: splendorlex on March 20, 2007, 08:43:11 AM: The Venus is a Particle Pearl. The Neptune is a very mild coverstock, supposedly less than the Mercury.
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Mr. Lebowski, this is Bill Salnicker with the Southern Cal Bowling League, and I just got a, an informal report, that a member of your team, uh, Walter Sobchak, drew a firearm during league play. If this is true of course, it contravenes a number of the league's by-laws, and article 27 of the league...

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Title: Re: Ball to clear drying heads but break smoothly?
Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on March 20, 2007, 08:52:39 AM: Yeah for some reason I have it burned into my brain that the Neptune is a particle pearl. I have been looking into the Venus to maybe work for this sort of thing but I don't have enough info on that yet.
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Title: Re: Ball to clear drying heads but break smoothly?
Post by: Djarum on March 20, 2007, 09:56:50 AM: I sort have eluded to this in the brunswick forum, and I will say it again. Bowling companies need to make balls that have decent core characteristics, yet with mild coverstocks. With conditions that splendor is talking about, its hard to find current equipment to match up. You could go with something like the heat or orbit extreme, but both of these will probably overreact to the dry. I think the best answer is probably the hammer pure or desert heat, short of going to say a slate gargoyle.

If the companies would do this, I think they would have a good seller. Take old technology with a decent core and mild to weak cover, and they would have a gem.

Dj
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Title: Re: Ball to clear drying heads but break smoothly?
Post by: splendorlex on March 20, 2007, 09:59:15 AM: I agree, I still need a strong rolling core, I just don't want the ball to overreact on the backend.
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Mr. Lebowski, this is Bill Salnicker with the Southern Cal Bowling League, and I just got a, an informal report, that a member of your team, uh, Walter Sobchak, drew a firearm during league play. If this is true of course, it contravenes a number of the league's by-laws, and article 27 of the league...

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Title: Re: Ball to clear drying heads but break smoothly?
Post by: dizzyfugu on March 20, 2007, 10:17:58 AM: I second that. It is sad that "special" balls like the Slate Blue Gargoyle or the Pure Hammer are exotic excemptions to the "last generation coverstock/high RG" rule of thumb to create cheap(?) entry level/light condition balls. IMHO, a urethane ball with a lower RG core might be a more versatile choice for a beginner than a current off-the-rack offer, and it would offer more experienced bowlers additional options.
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Title: Re: Ball to clear drying heads but break smoothly?
Post by: Djarum on March 20, 2007, 10:20:51 AM: quote:
I second that. It is sad that "special" balls like the Slate Blue Gargoyle or the Pure Hammer are exotic excemptions to the "last generation coverstock/high RG" rule of thumb to create cheap(?) entry level/light condition balls. IMHO, a urethane ball with a lower RG core might be a more versatile choice for a beginner than a current off-the-rack offer, and it would offer more experienced bowlers additional options.
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I agree, and it wouldn't have to be urethane. It could be storm's proglide, maybe Ebo's weaker version of Trimax, or even a weaker version of the PK 17. Something solid to keep the ball predictable.

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Title: Re: Ball to clear drying heads but break smoothly?
Post by: splendorlex on March 20, 2007, 10:26:40 AM: How are the two pure hammers different? The Red is a polished coverstock, correct? I'm not real sure on how they're different, and which would fit better. I have had a lot of success with Hammer.
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Mr. Lebowski, this is Bill Salnicker with the Southern Cal Bowling League, and I just got a, an informal report, that a member of your team, uh, Walter Sobchak, drew a firearm during league play. If this is true of course, it contravenes a number of the league's by-laws, and article 27 of the league...

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Title: Re: Ball to clear drying heads but break smoothly?
Post by: psaunders300 on March 20, 2007, 10:51:06 AM: Hey again,

Not wanting to beat the drum too hard but I am going to anyway , here is the February online review of the InSite Prophecy from the Bowler's Journal website:

"INSIGHT(sic) PROPHECY: Insightâ€™s latest orb delivers easy length on lighter volumes, with a smooth motion off dry. We were able to straddle the oil line, and bump the friction without experiencing an early read or loss of friction. The Prophecy is still stronger than most three-piece reactives, but definitely will carry better for most medium and lower rev rate players. Mark Russo described the motion he wanted was similar to that of the older Violet 3D. Having never thrown the 3D, I canâ€™t confirm or dispute this statement. I can confirm that the Prophecy needs friction and lighter volumes to perform properly. Heavier and longer patterns will be better served by balls intended for such. The Prophecy also performed very well on our wet/dry test patterns because we could control the friction and still see added length while playing further right with both feet and target."

splendorlex, If you are looking for the answer to you problem, I think you should check this ball out...
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Edited on 3/20/2007 10:54 AM
Title: Re: Ball to clear drying heads but break smoothly?
Post by: LuckyLefty on March 20, 2007, 11:16:57 AM: http://www.brunswickbowling.com/uploads/6A/M5/6AM5vRpH_JR0CmtJL73Ulg/Inferno_Absolute.pdf

Have you taken a look at drillings 3L, 4L, 4E.

I find the Drillings above...can get thru bone(pavement) dry heads and sides In a surprising way on any (no particle) pearl or highly polished solid and then the weighthole seems to determine the backend...(even on strong cored balls).

Pins over middle fingers as the pros are doing can really push a ball down the lane(also note they are doing these things with strong balls) like Wes Malott witht the strong track Power Machine).

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Title: Re: Ball to clear drying heads but break smoothly?
Post by: dizzyfugu on March 20, 2007, 11:26:16 AM: Heard a rumor that we will see a solid polished Power Groove this summer - coverstock material not known so far. Could be an option, even though I do not like high RG balls (and am quite happy with my black Pure Hammer *WOW* and my Slate Blue Gargoyle for desert wars).
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Title: Re: Ball to clear drying heads but break smoothly?
Post by: splendorlex on March 20, 2007, 11:46:19 AM: Dizzy, I just read your PHENOMENAL review of the Black Pure Hammer, and may have to see if I can still get my hands on one.

As far as Insite and Banger, I'm a little leery of trying a newer company's equipment out. I mean, a 150$+ investment for me has to be spot on.
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Mr. Lebowski, this is Bill Salnicker with the Southern Cal Bowling League, and I just got a, an informal report, that a member of your team, uh, Walter Sobchak, drew a firearm during league play. If this is true of course, it contravenes a number of the league's by-laws, and article 27 of the league...

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Title: Re: Ball to clear drying heads but break smoothly?
Post by: psaunders300 on March 20, 2007, 12:04:45 PM: quote:
As far as Insite and Banger, I'm a little leery of trying a newer company's equipment out. I mean, a 150$+ investment for me has to be spot on.

splendorlex,

I understand, BUT InSite is not exactly a new company. We have been in business for more than three years now and the Prophecy is our fourth release. There are a few people on this site that use InSite equipment, so it is not like you would be the first one . Anyway, like I said I understand, good luck with your decision.
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Title: Re: Ball to clear drying heads but break smoothly?
Post by: skbowl800 on March 20, 2007, 12:14:57 PM: The answer to your question is the Neptune. I had mine drilled pin over the ring finger with the cg in the palm. Ball really clears nicely and definately doesn't overreact off the dry. Should work extremely well for what you are looking for, that is what it was made for. The Venus would probably work ok too but it is a little stronger than the Neptune with a little less length.
Title: Re: Ball to clear drying heads but break smoothly?
Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on March 20, 2007, 12:15:13 PM: The black Pure Hammer did look like an interesting one to try.
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Title: Re: Ball to clear drying heads but break smoothly?
Post by: Juggernaut on March 20, 2007, 07:57:02 PM: For me, the answer was not "just a ball", but a drilling to match it.

Everything reactive has a bit too much jump on the backends for me, so I toyed around with plastics and urethanes. Some urethanes showed a bit of promise, then I accidentally came across a drill pattern that allowed a ball to do just as you are asking for.

I have since drilled three balls like this, and they all have the same basic characteristic, a smooth rolling backend with continuation.

I had a granite gargoyle, polished killer instinct solid, and an impulse zone all drilled with what my driller called a "zero" degree drilling.

The way they are set up is with the pin below the ring finger, 2-3 inches from my p.a.p. with the cg on the p.a.p.. On the K.I. and the Impulse zone, the m.b.is well past the v.a.l. on a line perpidicular to the grip centerline.

The cg's are drilled out to get the sideweight back to legal. These balls are versatile ( for me anyway ), and are capable of covering a wide range of conditions, depending on the surface finish.

Might not be the answer for everyone, but it sure helped me with a multitude of problems I had with reactives being too "jumpy" on the backends.
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Title: Re: Ball to clear drying heads but break smoothly?
Post by: Amleto on March 20, 2007, 10:01:49 PM: I just read that (dizzyfugu's) review even though I'm totally uninterested in this type of ball at this time. That is a fantastic review and you should be commended. Please buy lots more balls, and push the trash reviews down the page
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Title: Re: Ball to clear drying heads but break smoothly?
Post by: tloy on March 21, 2007, 06:04:52 AM: Sounds like the right condition for either Neptune or Venus. Neptune is pearl resin and Venus is pearl particle...
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Title: Re: Ball to clear drying heads but break smoothly?
Post by: splendorlex on March 21, 2007, 07:35:59 AM: quote:
I agree, I still need a strong rolling core, I just don't want the ball to overreact on the backend.
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Mr. Lebowski, this is Bill Salnicker with the Southern Cal Bowling League, and I just got a, an informal report, that a member of your team, uh, Walter Sobchak, drew a firearm during league play. If this is true of course, it contravenes a number of the league's by-laws, and article 27 of the league...

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No thanks. I think my brother in law, who rarely bowls, might actually have a black pure. Maybe I could swap him for one of the other balls I have lying around!
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Mr. Lebowski, this is Bill Salnicker with the Southern Cal Bowling League, and I just got a, an informal report, that a member of your team, uh, Walter Sobchak, drew a firearm during league play. If this is true of course, it contravenes a number of the league's by-laws, and article 27 of the league...

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Title: Re: Ball to clear drying heads but break smoothly?
Post by: splendorlex on April 18, 2007, 05:10:56 PM: I recently heard stuff about the Whirlwind maybe fitting this description, of course it's disco'd now.
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Title: Re: Ball to clear drying heads but break smoothly?
Post by: mrbowlingnut on April 18, 2007, 05:16:01 PM: Mystic on the slightly stronger side and venus on the weaker side, they will both give you what you are seeking. Blue ice would be ok but can get jumpy and i know that is not what you are looking for, i also agree with thunderstruck solid being a very good control ball.
Title: Re: Ball to clear drying heads but break smoothly?
Post by: BirwinJR on April 18, 2007, 05:37:15 PM: Second the Venus it should solve you problem and I do believe Storm/Roto-Grip is a sponsor of the ABTs, But yes the Venus is what I would drill up.