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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: Zanatos1914 on November 26, 2013, 05:02:21 PM
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Just wanted to know what you think of his shot...
His shot looking insteresting and very powerful when the lane is giving some friction but not really sure what to make of it yet... YouTude is full of all his stuff and he seem to be scoring allot higher than most because he is normally in the top 3... Pros are saying his ball is causing the oil to move allot because of his high revs... Does a high rev rate move the oil?
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I guess nobody has seen his two hand bowling style....
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Where have you been for the last 3-4 years? Not trying to be insulting but this was the hot issue awhile ago. Belmonte's been lighting it up for a few years now.
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LMAO. Who's Belmonte now?
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You're kidding, who is this "Belmonte" you speak of?
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Maybe I've been watching too much World Star Hip Hop lately, but after reading the title of the topic, I'm glad to hear that Jason Belmonte is in good health and in fact, has not been shot.
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True dat.
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Maybe I've been watching too much World Star Hip Hop lately, but after reading the title of the topic, I'm glad to hear that Jason Belmonte is in good health and in fact, has not been shot.
LOL!!!!!!!!! I didn't read it that way until now!!! Awesome!
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He has basically been the face of the PBA for some time now...
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As someone who was a very active bowler and who followed the PBA as a teenager in the mid 80's to the early 2000's, then who is only recently getting back into bowling and the PBA, I was also surprised to learn about Belmonte and the whole "2 handed" style that seems to be more common now. So much as changed since I last bowled seriously, I am a little nervous about starting over again.
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I guess nobody has seen his two hand bowling style....
Sooo passive-aggressive..
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Just wanted to know what you think of his shot...
His shot looking insteresting and very powerful when the lane is giving some friction but not really sure what to make of it yet... YouTude is full of all his stuff and he seem to be scoring allot higher than most because he is normally in the top 3... Pros are saying his ball is causing the oil to move allot because of his high revs... Does a high rev rate move the oil?
As a two hander, let me chime in. It all depends on the oil used. I wouldnt say higher rev rates move oil but it can help burn up a line a little quicker. Think of it this way...put a ball on a spinner. Turn it on and place your hand on the ball. At a lower spin speed, you can keep your hand on it several seconds before your hand gets hot. At a faster spin speed, after only a couple seconds it feels like it is going to burn the skin off your hand.
In regards to balls and lane surfaces, like you might expect, a polished ball is not going to soak up oil near as quickly as a duller surface. Even if us crankers are using polished equipment, oil will get soaked up but not nearly as fast as someone using a ball at 1000 abralon.
I bowled league a couple months ago where we had a guy with a pretty low rev rate and somewhat speed dominate. His ball fried the lanes up way faster than I was with a ball at 2000 plus Factory Finish. Every few frames, I was making 3 and 2 moves to stay ahead of his moves. Very frustrating night to say the least.
So.....rev rate itself is just part of the equation in regards to oil moving and/or being soaked up. I think the coverstock and its surface will dictate it more than anything.
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I guess nobody has seen his two hand bowling style....
Sooo passive-aggressive..
Slightly deserving, no?
The question is valid, but it's strange to see from somebody who actively posts on the forum.
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NVM, I didn't see that he was the one who posted on his own question...I'm thinking about trying the two handed, one footed bowling style.
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two handed bowling is for clowns
learn how to bowl the right way
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Its a combination of high rev rate and the resin balls, but the rev rate really blows up the oil pattern. Ask any senior who bowls in senior tournaments, and in open tournaments. Senior tournaments the scores go up during the course of the day as we track the pattern. Open tournaments the scores go up initially then start to drop off as guys start moving way left quickly. The problem is also compounded by the fact that high rev players can over power the pattern and play anywhere they want right out of the gate. Result is no defined track, but rather the heads blown up in the middles
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It has been attributed to Mo Pinel that some day we are going to say...."Two handed bowling is the future of bowling".
As a fella lucky enough to have a son that started naturally at age 5, was told incorrectly that he could not do it in league at age 6 after a 190 game(and cried and went home.) Then took it up again in his teens after seeing it again and is now occasionally scraping up towards 240 in his leagues.
It is a great method! As an injured righty who switched to lefty after a bad right handed thumb injury I wished I had taken up two handed right bowling! I still might!
A couple of comments I would make regarding the technique is
1. Jason Belmonte is the best bowler on the planet because he has the best fundamentals of the two handers. Better timing, better balance, ball closer to his ankle, combined with the ball roll of the more powerful two handed style.
2. Ability to easily and strongly change axis rotation is one of the great assets of the two handed bowler!
3. The analogy to bowling is the two handed backend in tennis. The losses of the most skilled one hander of all time Roger Federer are almost all caused by his weaker one handed backhand versus his other elite competitors more versatile, powerful, and last second adjusted two handed backhands!
4. I have watched both traditional two handed bowlers and the more powerful 3rd step skip method used by the more powerful two handers(Belmonte, Palermo, my son and many others). If you are going to try it the skip step method is in most cases the way to go, more ball speed, seems to be the result and the matchup of the always present more revs from two handed is a much better combination when combined with the possibility of hyper speed.
Final comment, my sons journey in to the upper top hat average regions is fueled by fundamentals. Timing, balance, and foot position at the foul line combined with closeness to the ankle drive periods of superior performance. Neglect of these the opposite. These same ideas of course necessary for great one handed bowling also and also the reason for Belmonte's separation from the rest of the growing pack of two handers on tour.
Regards,
Luckylefty