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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: guffnuh on April 05, 2010, 11:52:21 AM

Title: Benchmark Ball?
Post by: guffnuh on April 05, 2010, 11:52:21 AM
I am a cranker with 468 RPM''s and 17-18 MPH ball speed. I''m looking for a good benchmark ball, preferably a solid coverstock and sanded. I was thinking the Reign of Fire or Mutant Cell drilled control. What do you guys recommend?
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High Game: 300 X6 (4 in practice, 2 in tournaments)
High Series: 814(Practice), 806(Tournament)
Average: 215,206 in league, 204 in tournaments
Spokane JBT Titles: 1
Almost 5 years of bowling
14 years old

"Hey, what''''s that noise?"

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Edited on 4/5/2010 7:56 PM
Title: Re: Benchmark Ball?
Post by: rvmark on April 05, 2010, 08:15:27 PM
I would recommend taking a look at the 900G Breakout ball is my benchmark ball.  I also have a RG Grand Illusion which is a good benchmark ball, I would think the mutant would be to strong to be considered a benchmark ball.  JMO.

Mark
Title: Re: Benchmark Ball?
Post by: MrPerfect on April 05, 2010, 09:15:37 PM
If you used either of those as a benchmark ball you would have to take the surface up to 4000 most likely. Personally, I would go with a Hy-Road (2000) or a Furious (box) since you seem to like the Roto/Storm balls.
Title: Re: Benchmark Ball?
Post by: Doug Sterner on April 05, 2010, 09:27:58 PM
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Title: Re: Benchmark Ball?
Post by: guffnuh on April 05, 2010, 09:45:56 PM
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Uhh those are way too strong of balls too even think about being benchmark balls.From your videos I think you might want too look into purchasing a coaching lesson.(no pun intended)
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not exactly the answer i was looking for xD
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High Game: 300 X6 (4 in practice, 2 in tournaments)
High Series: 814(Practice), 806(Tournament)
Average: 215,206 in league, 204 in tournaments
Spokane JBT Titles: 1
Almost 5 years of bowling
14 years old

"Hey, what's that noise?"

"Oh, that's just my Invasion rolling out in my bag"


youtube.com/guffnuh
WATCH MY BOWLING VIDEOS!!!!!
Title: Re: Benchmark Ball?
Post by: MattC7 on April 05, 2010, 09:53:40 PM
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not exactly the answer i was looking for xD



Sometimes what we need should be held higher than what we want.
Title: Re: Benchmark Ball?
Post by: guffnuh on April 05, 2010, 09:55:41 PM
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not exactly the answer i was looking for xD



Sometimes what we need should be held higher than what we want.


ok, thats great and all, but i just want to know what ball to have for a benchmark, none of this "you need a coach bla bla bla your backswings too high bla bla bla im bashin a 14 year old with 2 800's and 6 300's bla bla bla" kinda sh!t
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High Game: 300 X6 (4 in practice, 2 in tournaments)
High Series: 814(Practice), 806(Tournament)
Average: 215,206 in league, 204 in tournaments
Spokane JBT Titles: 1
Almost 5 years of bowling
14 years old

"Hey, what's that noise?"

"Oh, that's just my Invasion rolling out in my bag"


youtube.com/guffnuh
WATCH MY BOWLING VIDEOS!!!!!
Title: Re: Benchmark Ball?
Post by: completebowler on April 05, 2010, 10:01:58 PM
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quote:
Uhh those are way too strong of balls too even think about being benchmark balls.From your videos I think you might want too look into purchasing a coaching lesson.(no pun intended)
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"Your ball can either smell good,or it can strike"
                "Nothing hits like a Hammer"




not exactly the answer i was looking for xD
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High Game: 300 X6 (4 in practice, 2 in tournaments)
High Series: 814(Practice), 806(Tournament)
Average: 215,206 in league, 204 in tournaments
Spokane JBT Titles: 1
Almost 5 years of bowling
14 years old

"Hey, what's that noise?"

"Oh, that's just my Invasion rolling out in my bag"


youtube.com/guffnuh
WATCH MY BOWLING VIDEOS!!!!!



+1.....and shooting scores in practice don't count. Have some humility, learn the fundamentals of the game and you will earn respect.


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ALL STAR BOWLING & TROPHY
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WALLED LAKE MI
Title: Re: Benchmark Ball?
Post by: charlest on April 05, 2010, 10:01:58 PM
My 2 cents:

With his very high rev rate and not as high ball speed, I suspect he/you will need not as much surface as someone whose ball speed and rev rate are more closely matched. Maybe a 4000 grit surface or a lightly polished ball.

I suspect that the ROF or the Mutant might be too strong because of your high rev rate.

Let me ask this: is your 17-18 mph speed at the arrows or at the backend (Qubica ball speed)?



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Edited on 4/5/2010 10:02 PM
Title: Re: Benchmark Ball?
Post by: guffnuh on April 05, 2010, 11:09:57 PM
quote:
My 2 cents:

With his very high rev rate and not as high ball speed, I suspect he/you will need not as much surface as someone whose ball speed and rev rate are more closely matched. Maybe a 4000 grit surface or a lightly polished ball.

I suspect that the ROF or the Mutant might be too strong because of your high rev rate.

Let me ask this: is your 17-18 mph speed at the arrows or at the backend (Qubica ball speed)?



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"None are so blind as those who will not see."

Edited on 4/5/2010 10:02 PM


its qubica, so at the backend
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High Game: 300 X6 (4 in practice, 2 in tournaments)
High Series: 814(Practice), 806(Tournament)
Average: 215,206 in league, 204 in tournaments
Spokane JBT Titles: 1
Almost 5 years of bowling
14 years old

"Hey, what's that noise?"

"Oh, that's just my Invasion rolling out in my bag"


youtube.com/guffnuh
WATCH MY BOWLING VIDEOS!!!!!
Title: Re: Benchmark Ball?
Post by: guffnuh on April 05, 2010, 11:13:13 PM
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quote:
quote:
Uhh those are way too strong of balls too even think about being benchmark balls.From your videos I think you might want too look into purchasing a coaching lesson.(no pun intended)
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"Your ball can either smell good,or it can strike"
                "Nothing hits like a Hammer"




not exactly the answer i was looking for xD
--------------------
High Game: 300 X6 (4 in practice, 2 in tournaments)
High Series: 814(Practice), 806(Tournament)
Average: 215,206 in league, 204 in tournaments
Spokane JBT Titles: 1
Almost 5 years of bowling
14 years old

"Hey, what's that noise?"

"Oh, that's just my Invasion rolling out in my bag"


youtube.com/guffnuh
WATCH MY BOWLING VIDEOS!!!!!



+1.....and shooting scores in practice don't count. Have some humility, learn the fundamentals of the game and you will earn respect.


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ALL STAR BOWLING & TROPHY
LANGAN'S ALL STAR LANES
WALLED LAKE MI



1. practice scores are no different than league scores, except for the fact that you get rings for certified ones.

2. i know the fundamentals of the game. i know a bunch of crap about bowling. go ahead, ask me anything about bowling and i'll give you the answer.
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High Game: 300 X6 (4 in practice, 2 in tournaments)
High Series: 814(Practice), 806(Tournament)
Average: 215,206 in league, 204 in tournaments
Spokane JBT Titles: 1
Almost 5 years of bowling
14 years old

"Hey, what's that noise?"

"Oh, that's just my Invasion rolling out in my bag"


youtube.com/guffnuh
WATCH MY BOWLING VIDEOS!!!!!
Title: Re: Benchmark Ball?
Post by: stormed1 on April 06, 2010, 12:32:52 AM
1. practice scores are no different than league scores, except for the fact that you get rings for certified ones.

Not even close!! When practicing you do not have to deal with anywhere near the transition you see with 10 people bowling on the pattern. Shoot those numbers in competition on a legitimate shot not a house wall where you have a ton of miss room and then you have something you can brag about.
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Title: Re: Benchmark Ball?
Post by: Laniarty on April 06, 2010, 12:37:13 AM
Practice scores are different then league scores. For one, when you practice you are the only person playing on the lanes, so the oil transitions much slower. You also get to bowl as fast or as slow as you want. You could bowl a single game in 5 minutes if you wanted to, something that's just not possible in a league situation. Lastly, there is no scoreboard pressure from an opponent shooting good or bad against you.

If you think league/tournament bowling is the same as practice, you're just wrong.
Title: Re: Benchmark Ball?
Post by: mj79 on April 06, 2010, 12:47:30 AM
I thought yo were blindzor after looking at your youtube videos..

http://www.youtube.com/user/SSblind73


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quote:
Uhh those are way too strong of balls too even think about being benchmark balls.From your videos I think you might want too look into purchasing a coaching lesson.(no pun intended)
--------------------
"Your ball can either smell good,or it can strike"
                "Nothing hits like a Hammer"




not exactly the answer i was looking for xD
--------------------
High Game: 300 X6 (4 in practice, 2 in tournaments)
High Series: 814(Practice), 806(Tournament)
Average: 215,206 in league, 204 in tournaments
Spokane JBT Titles: 1
Almost 5 years of bowling
14 years old

"Hey, what's that noise?"

"Oh, that's just my Invasion rolling out in my bag"


youtube.com/guffnuh
WATCH MY BOWLING VIDEOS!!!!!



+1.....and shooting scores in practice don't count. Have some humility, learn the fundamentals of the game and you will earn respect.


--------------------
ALL STAR BOWLING & TROPHY
LANGAN'S ALL STAR LANES
WALLED LAKE MI



1. practice scores are no different than league scores, except for the fact that you get rings for certified ones.

2. i know the fundamentals of the game. i know a bunch of crap about bowling. go ahead, ask me anything about bowling and i'll give you the answer.
--------------------
High Game: 300 X6 (4 in practice, 2 in tournaments)
High Series: 814(Practice), 806(Tournament)
Average: 215,206 in league, 204 in tournaments
Spokane JBT Titles: 1
Almost 5 years of bowling
14 years old

"Hey, what's that noise?"

"Oh, that's just my Invasion rolling out in my bag"


youtube.com/guffnuh
WATCH MY BOWLING VIDEOS!!!!!


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Title: Re: Benchmark Ball?
Post by: themachine300 on April 06, 2010, 02:38:44 AM
I got a nib gamebreaker 15 lbs for sale, probably the best benchmark ball ever made
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Title: Re: Benchmark Ball?
Post by: TamerBowling on April 06, 2010, 06:52:29 AM
I would agree with MrPerfect. If you like Storm, something like the Furious or HyRoad would be very good benchmark balls.  Furious has the same cover as the Reign of Fire with a different core (and different OOB finish~2000gr).  Hy Road is a Hybrid cover but a very controllable ball.  From your own recommendations, I know you would like to use a newer, high end ball, but those are pretty strong and very hard to recommend as benchmarks.
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Title: Re: Benchmark Ball?
Post by: lenstanles703 on April 06, 2010, 06:54:22 AM
Check out an Ogre Solid from Visionary. Good control from a solid coverstock that lasts.
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Title: Re: Benchmark Ball?
Post by: TWOHAND834 on April 06, 2010, 07:28:04 AM
VISIONARY!!!!  Ogre solid.  Best part, you wont be taking the ball back to the pro shop complaining of lost ball reaction after every 50 games.
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Title: Re: Benchmark Ball?
Post by: charlest on April 06, 2010, 08:24:40 AM
Furious and Ogre Solid are excellent choices as benchmarks. You might need to take the surface of the Ogre from the stock 600 grit US/CAMI to P2000 or P4000 grit because of your rev rate. B'wick Diamondback could also need a slightly smoother surface for it to be your benchmark.

Gamebreaker has been discontinued for a while and could be hard to get. It has a very low RG that could problem with your rev rate.

Hammer Onyx Vibe could a good benchmark for you also.
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."
Title: Re: Benchmark Ball?
Post by: rvmark on April 06, 2010, 08:43:31 AM
I see several good suggestions here for you, you don't always need the latest and strongest hooking ball especially for a benchmark ball IMO.

I also agree with those who said that practice is not the same as league.  With 8 or 10 on a pair they are going to breakdown and transition differently than when you are bowling by yourself or with 1 or 2 others.  Just because you are 14 and can bowl big scores on the house shot does not make you the latest and greatest thing to bowling.  I enjoy seeing young people bowl and do well, I had the opportunity this winter to bowl next to the top high school bowler in our area on the USBC pattern.  While he would most likely cream me on the THS I beat him by 95 pins on it.  Tone down the attitude a little and listen to what these guys are trying to tell you most of them have been bowling for several more years than you have been alive.

Good luck!

Mark