Author Topic: Best ball for carrydown (Read 15577 times)

TJ813 · « **on:** February 21, 2012, 12:03:00 AM »

Looking for opinions. I'm talking heavy carrydown with good oil in the heads. Really soft backends!! Is there a ball out there made that can grab through a heavy carrydown??? I miss particle balls... Any suggestions???

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Nails · « **Reply #1 on:** February 21, 2012, 09:28:22 AM »

Unless you're talking about lanes that have had the heads redressed after considerable play (resulting in the carry down), usually you can't have both good head oil and carry down. To create carry down, balls have absorbed the oil in the heads, keeping some in the shell, and depositing the unabsorbed oil from the bow ties to the back end of the lane. Far too many people think unresponsive back ends are caused by carry down, when usually it's from the ball burning up too quickly from drying heads and having nothing left for the back.

If you have good oil and mushy back ends, you just need a stronger piece in general. Either that or a radically different line, trying to go around the puddle. Deep inside with very little belly or way outside. What are you throwing now that isn't getting the job done? Your speed, rev rate, axis rotation/tilt...?

Telling it like it is.

Russell · « **Reply #2 on:** February 21, 2012, 10:17:27 AM »

Great response from Nails...without knowing more about how you bowl and what your current equipment is doing it's impossible to say. Too often bowlers think there ball isn't hooking, when in reality it's puking at 25 feet and using its energy up before it gets to the backend.

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tywithay · « **Reply #3 on:** February 21, 2012, 10:25:05 AM »

Maxxx Curve. Strong sanded particle pearl

TJ813 · « **Reply #4 on:** February 21, 2012, 10:29:53 AM »

Nails

Speed is 17 axis rotation is 35* -45* tilt is moderate (track is medium) forget exactly, rev is 350 +-

I've got wild card, diamondback and marvel all sanded and still cant get a bite.

Pearls include Marvel pearl, 250k, and Elevate.

Don't get me wrong with good conditions I can move the ball alot but on these soft backends there just isnt anything I have been able to do to carry much at all, just skid...

One shot at a time...

LookingForALeftyWall · « **Reply #5 on:** February 21, 2012, 10:49:06 AM »

A Track 607A SE drilled to go long and snap hard on the backend can be a good bet on medium oil with carrydown. However, you have to be careful though. If the shot is completely blown out on the front of the pattern, a 607 will snap violently off the friction and cause more problems then it's worth...

northface28 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 21, 2012, 11:24:35 AM »

3 sanded, early balls. Willing to bet all those balls are blowing up just past the dots. You also have some relatively early pearls, your arsenal is incredibly over leveraged. Anyhow, try playing out, get the ball to tumble and go through the carrydown.

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Russell · « **Reply #7 on:** February 21, 2012, 11:50:23 AM »

I love the suggestion of 607sae when a solid Marvel isn't enough....sigh.

Seriously make sure your covers are also clean. It's possible they are a bit saturated and having a hard time biting....if not the Marvel is a really strong symmetrical. If you keep your break point in front of you there are few balls that roll heavier through the midlane.

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LookingForALeftyWall · « **Reply #8 on:** February 21, 2012, 11:54:14 AM »

Russell,

Let's be honest here. Without seeing this guy bowl, we cannot judge weather or not his Marvel is burning up in the heads or if he's bowling on a flood....If there was a true carrydown condition, a Marvel would not be able to turn the corner with energy, that far down the lane....

If he's bowling on a flood, I would not recommend a 607...

TJ813 · « **Reply #9 on:** February 21, 2012, 12:12:00 PM »

Thank you. True flood- hate to say it that way. Just extreme soft turn and no finish. No I'm not rolling out because it never really makes a move. I bowl in many houses and we have several around with this problem. Faced it for years now and still looking for answers. I can do +291 in 5 at pba regional on animal pattern but cant get a ball to make a move on this carrydown, then alone carry. My home house is not the problem just a few houses around the area that I like to bowl in just can't bowl well there. Yrs ago with my Pro Zone Azure never had this problem but in the last 10yrs or so it really has become a problem. Got alot of balls and I am willing to punch more, just seeing if you have any ideas.

Marvel was punched up Fri. Home house was great heavy roller but wow really skid at tourney on Sunday no bite at all really... alone with everything else. But boy the right handers had great mid lane strength.

Not complaining guys really just looking to see if you have any answers that I dont already do or have tried in the past...

One shot at a time...

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Nails · « **Reply #10 on:** February 21, 2012, 01:13:36 PM »

I know you said it's not burning up, but 400 is still a lot of surface, especially when you want to increase the back end. I'd still like to take one of the pieces either to to about 800/1000 grit sand paper or 500 with a light touch of 2000 abralon and watch the reaction. There's a flame thrower in my sport league - tons of speed and little hand. His DV8 Hell Raiser is super dull and hits like an absolute turd and the ball is certainly not burning up.

How is your speed control? My wrist was really sore last week and we were on one of the longer/heavier patterns. I threw the ball really soft mostly because it didn't hurt. I couldn't believe how much better the ball read the lane and how much better the ball reacted in general. Maybe that showed me that I'm a little speed dominant - maybe I need to lower my ball speed or increase my revs a bit. If nothing else, throwing a few slow balls will tell you if your current equipment is even capable of doing what you want.

Telling it like it is.

Strapper_Squared · « **Reply #11 on:** February 21, 2012, 01:53:14 PM »

I have. NIB MoRich Awesome Revs for sale... Particle pearl cover and a strong core......

Scott

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Walking E · « **Reply #12 on:** February 21, 2012, 02:16:23 PM »

It could be a combination of oily heads and carrydown if the back ends haven't been cleaned and the house re-oiled the heads before league play. Anyway, I had an original Mission that also wasn't making the turn on a carrydown condition. I applied one of those adrenaline wipes to the surface and instantly got a much better reaction. Try one of those and see if it makes a difference.

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aussiedave · « **Reply #13 on:** February 21, 2012, 08:56:50 PM »

One more thing to try before you go buying another ball, is to have less axis just before and after the release - more axis is conducive to more skid.

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scotts33 · « **Reply #14 on:** February 21, 2012, 10:53:01 PM »

Tilt, axis rotation...... balls used....surfaces of those balls lane condition anyone if front of you......hmmmmmmmmmm wonder why someone didn't ask these questions?

Scott