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Post by: sevenpin63 on August 01, 2008, 09:39:59 PM
Coumbia Yellow Dot, then the BEAST.
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Post by: alcornel on August 01, 2008, 09:51:28 PM
Though..... I was in Chicago on travel and went bowling and found a Black U-Dot on the rack drilled fingertip close to my span and I got a great reaction on semi-fried lanes
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Post by: Gunny on August 01, 2008, 09:54:56 PM
Post by: Gazoo on August 01, 2008, 09:56:42 PM
quote:
Coumbia Yellow Dot, then the BEAST.
The Beast was reactive.
Post by: sevenpin63 on August 01, 2008, 10:00:22 PM
quote:quote:
Coumbia Yellow Dot, then the BEAST.
The Beast was reactive.
I don't know, My Beast was Urethane, then later they came out with the reactive version. The way you could tell was each one of the versions had a different amount of teeth on the ball.
Edited on 8/1/2008 10:10 PM
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Post by: JessN16 on August 01, 2008, 11:35:05 PM
quote:quote:quote:
Coumbia Yellow Dot, then the BEAST.
The Beast was reactive.
I don't know, My Beast was Urethane, then later they came out with the reactive version. The way you could tell was each one of the versions had a different amount of teeth on the ball.
Edited on 8/1/2008 10:10 PM
You're talking about the Beast-C, which a lot of people called the "C-Beast (pronounced "sea beast"). I'm about 90 percent sure the reactive beast (the purple one) actually came out first. The Beast-C, which was kind of bluish/greenish/grayish came out next. It had the Ceramicore/Beast core with a urethane shell. I knew a lot of high-rev guys who loved that thing because it was smooth on the back.
Jess
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Post by: sevenpin63 on August 01, 2008, 11:42:28 PM
quote:quote:quote:quote:
Coumbia Yellow Dot, then the BEAST.
The Beast was reactive.
I don't know, My Beast was Urethane, then later they came out with the reactive version. The way you could tell was each one of the versions had a different amount of teeth on the ball.
Edited on 8/1/2008 10:10 PM
You're talking about the Beast-C, which a lot of people called the "C-Beast (pronounced "sea beast"). I'm about 90 percent sure the reactive beast (the purple one) actually came out first. The Beast-C, which was kind of bluish/greenish/grayish came out next. It had the Ceramicore/Beast core with a urethane shell. I knew a lot of high-rev guys who loved that thing because it was smooth on the back.
Jess
I dont think so, I had my Beast the same time the Blue Hammer was out. I think it was in the early 90's, and it was purple. I know I had that ball before I had my Burgandy Hammer.
Post by: Maine Man on August 01, 2008, 11:44:27 PM
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Post by: sevenpin63 on August 01, 2008, 11:48:13 PM
quote:
The purple Beast was resin:
http://www.bowlingballreviews.com/ball.asp?ballid=364
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Maybe I'm wrong, but I was told it was a Urethane?
Post by: Maine Man on August 01, 2008, 11:58:15 PM
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Maybe I'm wrong, but I was told it was a Urethane?
They only made two urethane Beasts, and they are both blue. The Blue Beast:
http://www.bowlingballreviews.com/ball.asp?ballid=512
And, the Ti-Beast:
http://www.bowlingballreviews.com/ball.asp?ballid=1029
All the other Beasts that were made were either polyester or resin. The resin one was the first one produced, all the others came later. I hope this helps!
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Although my favorite has been the Black Hammer, with the Burgandy being a second (barely still urethane, but still is lol)
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Brunswick LT-48
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Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on August 02, 2008, 07:53:39 AM
I pull this ball out once a year for league during the week anniversary of when I shot my 300. This year I shot a 697 with it. It still hits very well.
I wish I could still use it all the time, but with the changing of the oil comes the changing of the equipment, so a lot of places it just glides down the lane
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Post by: michelle on August 02, 2008, 08:01:47 AM
Post by: rotomike on August 02, 2008, 08:37:18 AM
The first Beast that hit the market was purple and was urethane!!
AS mentioned before you could tell by the length of the teeth if it was urethane or resin.
There were later beast models that were also urethane and they were blue.
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Post by: rotomike on August 02, 2008, 08:38:15 AM
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Nail
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Post by: supernoodle on August 02, 2008, 11:55:20 AM
The good thing about Pre-Resin balls is that unlike todays equipment,it was much easier to tell when you bowled a good ball and something that was less than perfect,which back in the day was quite often when I was on the lanes.
Some would say nothing has changed.
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Post by: BowlingWolf on August 02, 2008, 12:41:21 PM
-Black Knight (dry to medium oily conditions)
-Black U Dot (oily to medium conditions)
-Red U Dot (medium to oily conditions)
-Blue Dot (dry conditions)
Hammer:
-Blue Pearl (all conditions, except super oily and super dry)
-Black (medium to heavy conditions)
Brunswick:
Black Beauty (medium dry to medium oily conditions)
LT-48 (medium to oily conditions)
Black Rhino (medium to oily conditions)
AMF:
Black Angle (medium to oily conditions)
Loved every single one of those balls, but if I had to choose one, it would likely be the Blue Pearl Hammer, since I could play it on just about any condition, and it was a ball that always hit hard, whether the lanes were oily or on the drier side. I still have 2 in my collection.
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Post by: JessN16 on August 02, 2008, 01:10:48 PM
quote:
Sorry guys....
The first Beast that hit the market was purple and was urethane!!
AS mentioned before you could tell by the length of the teeth if it was urethane or resin.
There were later beast models that were also urethane and they were blue.
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No offense, but I'm going to have to ask you to prove that. I'm looking at both the entire Beast list on Bowling Ball Reviews and the USBC Approved Ball List, and the original purple Beast is reactive on both lists. It was approved March 1992, well ahead of any other model in the Beast line. There is no mention of a urethane model on either list.
The next in the Beast line came out in June 1994, and that was the Blue Beast (urethane model).
There were only two other non-reactive Beast balls released and approved: The C-Beast, released and approved April 1996, and the Beast Polyester, released and approved in August 1996. There was a purple version of the Beast Polyester, but again that was four years after the original came out so the issue is moot.
Unless someone can produce materials from Columbia 300 that say otherwise, there is no evidence a urethane Beast predated a reactive Beast.
Jess
Post by: Joeyd on August 02, 2008, 01:26:07 PM
Oh, and to answer the question, Red Pearl Hammer.
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Post by: pro shop guy on August 02, 2008, 01:43:24 PM
Post by: rotomike on August 02, 2008, 01:55:02 PM
Since this was pre internet era I will attempt to find you the "proof" you need.
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Post by: SVstar34 on August 02, 2008, 02:02:52 PM
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Post by: rotomike on August 02, 2008, 02:03:08 PM
Your sources have issues...
no malice here stop woth the "absolutes"
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Post by: anorexicwonder on August 02, 2008, 02:07:59 PM
Post by: JBracer2 on August 02, 2008, 02:42:28 PM
Yellow Dot 6P models
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Post by: Crankenstein300 on August 02, 2008, 03:01:43 PM
Pink Hammer
Post by: JessN16 on August 02, 2008, 03:04:29 PM
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Not to poke holes at ya Jess but the USBC approved ball list DOES NOT say what the cover was on the purple beast. It also states " (See rulebook, Chapter VII, "USBC Equipment Specifications" for any balls manufactured prior to January 1991.)"
Your sources have issues...
no malice here stop woth the "absolutes"
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"Your sources have issues"? One is the USBC and the other is a site that has no reason to be subversive in regards to the truth, and has the most complete database of bowling balls anywhere on the 'Net.
I wasn't trying to be malicious. But it will take something official from Columbia to convince me otherwise (and I'd prefer it come from the company). The manufacturing dates on the USBC ball list and the Bowling Ball Reviews Web site match up and you can go down one list and pull up corresponding pictures of those balls on BBR.
Jess
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Post by: Juggernaut on August 02, 2008, 03:33:57 PM
I bought the very first beast that came out. The box said urethane on it and the ball acted very much like my other urethane balls at the time.
About a year or so later, I saw one in the shop that was new and the box said flexel, which is a mild reactive formulation. When I asked about this, the shop guy told me that columbia had been experimenting with additives and had decided to make balls with it.
He also told me there were TWO SEPERATE types of black u-dots also, one straight urethane ( white lettering ) and one with flexel ( green lettering ), and NO, I am not refering to the budII, just a regular black u-dot with a flexel cover and green lettering..
I cannot "PROVE" that their was a purple urethane model beast that pre-dates the reactive one, but I know it for an absolute fact. I also know for an absolute fact that there were two different types of black u-dots that were as different in their reactions as daylight and dark because I saw them thrown side by side several times. The white lettered one was a smooth predictable urethane reaction, and the green lettered one was a definite skid/flip reaction.
As for MY favorite pre resin ball, it is a toss up between the original black turbo and the pink hammer.
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Post by: rotomike on August 02, 2008, 04:01:51 PM
Once again let me say this louder so you can hear..
THE USBC SITE DOES NOT CLARIFY WHAT THE COVERSTOCK IS...
Also what make BBR an absolute source? Someone entered the information into a database.
I will agree totally with Juggernault. His experience is the same as mine and yes there was a black u dot with green writing as well...
the Columbia 300 reps word is not enough either.
In the words of Goldmember "I guess therre is no pleasing you"
I do think it is fun that we are having a discussion about urethane balls... many fond memories.
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Post by: sevenpin63 on August 02, 2008, 04:19:42 PM
Did not mean to start trouble, but I'm pretty sure my Beast is urethane, I cant see columbia only charging $99 bucks for a high performance ball back in the day. Yes there is something different about the teeth so you could tell the difference.
Post by: InternationalBowler on August 02, 2008, 04:25:31 PM
And to answer the question: AMF Cobra, AMF Black Angle and Blue Hammer
Post by: JessN16 on August 02, 2008, 04:29:10 PM
quote:
Jess....
Once again let me say this louder so you can hear..
THE USBC SITE DOES NOT CLARIFY WHAT THE COVERSTOCK IS...
Also what make BBR an absolute source? Someone entered the information into a database.
I will agree totally with Juggernault. His experience is the same as mine and yes there was a black u dot with green writing as well...
the Columbia 300 reps word is not enough either.
In the words of Goldmember "I guess therre is no pleasing you"
I do think it is fun that we are having a discussion about urethane balls... many fond memories.
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All I'm doing is asking you to prove your statements. That's not an unreasonable request and you don't need to get bent out of shape over it.
EDIT: Also, in regards to the USBC list, here's what I'm using that for: I look up the ball on the USBC list, cross-reference it with the BBR list and see what I get. For every entry on the USBC list, there happens to be a corresponding ball on BBR. The one for the original Beast on USBC comes up "reactive" on BBR and has an identical approval date. That backs up personal observations of a reactive Beast being on store shelves at the time. Until Columbia says differently, that's what we have. Also, I would be intrigued to know how Columbia got a ball approved in 1992, then changed the cover formulation significantly and the ball was still approved afterwards. Given how anal retentive the USBC tends to be about equipment approval and specs, this would certainly qualify as a unique occurrence at the very least, not to have to re-submit the ball for approval.
Jess
Edited on 8/2/2008 4:35 PM
Post by: rotomike on August 02, 2008, 04:42:13 PM
I am not bent at all. I am actually enjoying our tilt here. It proves to me that what you read on the internet is not actually true...
You are applying today's standards to what happened back in 1991. Logical but not accurate. As USBC has stated their list has potential errors and omissions around January 1991 which happens to be about the time the ball in question came out.
I saw the BBR entry....but anecdotal evidence from my rememberances, the Columbia 300 sales rep, the manager of my proshop, and last but not least other members on this site should hint to ya that you might be in error.
I love an intellectual discussion without all of the name calling that is in other threads.
cheers!!
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Post by: Evening Sun on August 02, 2008, 04:57:20 PM
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Post by: JessN16 on August 02, 2008, 05:06:23 PM
quote:
Jess...
I am not bent at all. I am actually enjoying our tilt here. It proves to me that what you read on the internet is not actually true...
You are applying today's standards to what happened back in 1991. Logical but not accurate. As USBC has stated their list has potential errors and omissions around January 1991 which happens to be about the time the ball in question came out.
I saw the BBR entry....but anecdotal evidence from my rememberances, the Columbia 300 sales rep, the manager of my proshop, and last but not least other members on this site should hint to ya that you might be in error.
I love an intellectual discussion without all of the name calling that is in other threads.
cheers!!
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The problem with "what you read on the Internet is not true" is that the sources I'm quoting are the closest thing to official sources we've got. One is the list by which the administrators of the game itself use to regulate legal equipment. The other is a very extensive database that I've yet to find be incorrect about a ball.
As for what other members are saying, there are other members agreeing with me, too, so at best that cancels out.
If you want to prove an official source wrong, you have that right -- but you must prove it. Your word does not constitute proof. Actually prove it, and things can change.
Jess
Post by: sdbowler on August 02, 2008, 05:11:46 PM
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Post by: Juggernaut on August 02, 2008, 05:33:40 PM
quote:quote:
Jess...
I am not bent at all. I am actually enjoying our tilt here. It proves to me that what you read on the internet is not actually true...
You are applying today's standards to what happened back in 1991. Logical but not accurate. As USBC has stated their list has potential errors and omissions around January 1991 which happens to be about the time the ball in question came out.
I saw the BBR entry....but anecdotal evidence from my rememberances, the Columbia 300 sales rep, the manager of my proshop, and last but not least other members on this site should hint to ya that you might be in error.
I love an intellectual discussion without all of the name calling that is in other threads.
cheers!!
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The problem with "what you read on the Internet is not true" is that the sources I'm quoting are the closest thing to official sources we've got. One is the list by which the administrators of the game itself use to regulate legal equipment. The other is a very extensive database that I've yet to find be incorrect about a ball.
As for what other members are saying, there are other members agreeing with me, too, so at best that cancels out.
If you want to prove an official source wrong, you have that right -- but you must prove it. Your word does not constitute proof. Actually prove it, and things can change.
Jess
Jess,
Not trying to argue, or start an argument, but you must remember, information you get from the internet is only as good and reliable as the $6.00 an hour grunt that is putting it on the database.
I went to columbia300.com to check out the beast. Know what they said the cover was? TEC2 particle! Man, TEC2 particle didn't even exist in 1991, and this is straight from the manufacturers website itsself! http://columbia300.com/products/retired_detail.php?PRKey=39
All I am saying is this. I've been bowling now since 1982 and was probably the biggest columbia "wonk" around these parts. If they made it, I either had it, or wanted it. I can't explain the lack of documentation on the different coverstocks.
Oh, and the ball being approved with two different covers isn't a singularity either. I remember when ebonite had the shockwave ball and changed the cover on that from whatever it was ( MEGA-BITE I believe) to another formula ( MEGA-BITE SUPER TAK).
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Post by: BowlingWolf on August 02, 2008, 05:52:45 PM
While I cannot definitively prove that the original Beast's coverstock was urethane (don't have the box and spec sheet), I distinctively remember purchasing one and than sometime later purchasing the newer, glossier flexel version (both excellent balls, incidentally).
Ironically, I still have the glossy reactive, but wish I'd kept the original which I ended up giving to a friend of mine a long time ago.
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Post by: rotomike on August 02, 2008, 05:59:40 PM
Once again the "administrators of the game" did not identify the coverstock on their list. Their list does not provide enough information for them to be a credible source. So your evidence is as anecdotal as mine is except for the fact that the number of Ball Reviews members on my side seem to be piling up.
And I am working to find someone who was with Columbia back in the day to give you the proof that you and it seems only you need.
So I say to you... Prove that there was NOT a Purple Urethane Beast that came out prior to the Reactive model.
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Post by: bass on August 02, 2008, 06:30:51 PM
Had a greenish tint to it.
Averaged 230+ with it in the early 90's.
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Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on August 02, 2008, 06:37:46 PM
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m95/sgc300/2004_1225beast0001.jpg
A lot of my friends and my dad got the Purple Beast about a year or so after I shot my 300 with my blue one, so that was about 1996 or 1997....I believe there's were Reactive, but heck I dunno
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Post by: Crankenstein300 on August 02, 2008, 07:13:26 PM
On a side note, the green lettered Flexcel U Dot is new to me. I know a few people who would have loved to try that.
Post by: Maine Man on August 02, 2008, 07:44:14 PM
quote:
Prove that there was NOT a Purple Urethane Beast that came out prior to the Reactive model.
OK, here goes:
http://www.columbia300.com/products/retired.php
This complete ball list is right from the Columbia 300 website, and lists ALL of their balls. The original Beast WAS reactive. There were two Beasts produced that were urethane, the Blue Beast, and the C-Beast, both coming out at a later date than the original Beast.
Here is the list from bowlingballreviews:
http://www.bowlingballreviews.com/search.asp
It also lists only two urethane Beasts in existence, both blue (the Blue beast and the C-Beast), and both released AFTER the original purple Beast which was reactive. This goes hand in hand with what Columbia has on their website.
This is confirmation from two independent sources saying there is no such thing as a purple urethane Beast at any point whatsoever. I agree that the flexcel used on the original Beast was a very mild resin, and reacted much like a urethane ball, but it WAS resin.
On the Columbia site, they did list the resin U-Dot having the green writing and the urethane one having white logos, nice memory on that one. Also, the fangs on all the pictures of all the Beasts ever made are the same length, so the whole different length fang thing seems like a hoax also. Where did you get that info, sounds like an urban legend to me. Take a close look at all the pictures of all the Beasts, and you will see that the fang lengths are the same, whether they are resin, urethane, or plastic. I hope this helps. I remember when the Beast first came out, and I stopped by my parents house today and looked at the box of the Beast my Mom still has from 1992, and it says flexcel resin right on the box, so I trust that source also. I mean the box is from Columbia 300 after all, they should know what the ball was made out of.
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Post by: SVstar34 on August 02, 2008, 08:00:34 PM
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Post by: Crankenstein300 on August 02, 2008, 09:00:23 PM
Found in a couple old Bowlers Journals the ads for the urethane and the Flexcel Beast. The urethane one being advertised as strictly 2 piece urethane and the logo has 5 teeth between the fangs and they are all the same length. The reactive Beast is advertised as "The new Beast with an Attitude" now with Flexcel. And it's logo is the familiar one with the 4 uneven teeth.
I'll scan the ads and post them soon.
Post by: JessN16 on August 02, 2008, 09:09:28 PM
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So I say to you... Prove that there was NOT a Purple Urethane Beast that came out prior to the Reactive model.
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Mike,
Whatever happens with this, one of the cardinal rules of debate is that no one is ever required to prove a negative (i.e., prove something didn't exist). You're the one trying to "change history," so to speak, so the onus is on you to do that, not everyone else.
Jess
Post by: bwproshop on August 02, 2008, 09:18:44 PM
The reactive version had five. I had both versions.
As for the best urethane ball:
1. Beast
2. Blue Hammer
3. Blue Pearl Hammer
"Now you can bowl to win with Columbia, Track, and Hammer"!!
Post by: sevenpin63 on August 02, 2008, 09:50:18 PM
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OK I am in a pot stirring mood and managed to find a few things.
Found in a couple old Bowlers Journals the ads for the urethane and the Flexcel Beast. The urethane one being advertised as strictly 2 piece urethane and the logo has 5 teeth between the fangs and they are all the same length. The reactive Beast is advertised as "The new Beast with an Attitude" now with Flexcel. And it's logo is the familiar one with the 4 uneven teeth.
I'll scan the ads and post them soon.
OK Crank maybe when you get these posted it will settle the debate once and for all. Because there are to many people that know there was urethane Beast, they all cant be wrong.
Edited on 8/2/2008 9:58 PM
Post by: RSalas on August 02, 2008, 10:39:39 PM
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Post by: BowlingWolf on August 02, 2008, 10:43:19 PM
quote:quote:
OK I am in a pot stirring mood and managed to find a few things.
Found in a couple old Bowlers Journals the ads for the urethane and the Flexcel Beast. The urethane one being advertised as strictly 2 piece urethane and the logo has 5 teeth between the fangs and they are all the same length. The reactive Beast is advertised as "The new Beast with an Attitude" now with Flexcel. And it's logo is the familiar one with the 4 uneven teeth.
I'll scan the ads and post them soon.
OK Crank maybe when you get these posted it will settle the debate once and for all. Because there are to many people that know there was urethane Beast, they all cant be wrong.
Edited on 8/2/2008 9:58 PM
I'll second that.
Thank you, incidentally, for making me feel that I'm not going senile yet.
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Post by: sevenpin63 on August 02, 2008, 10:57:03 PM
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And I'm curious to find out whether the NIB Beast I've got upstairs is a urethane or Flexcel version.
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If its NIB it should say on the box?
Post by: NtheDitch on August 02, 2008, 11:06:25 PM
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Post by: rotomike on August 02, 2008, 11:31:55 PM
Sorry bout that... I was in a contrarian mood... I was punch drunk with confidence...
I agree about the proving the negative bad show on my part.
Purple Urethane beast will out...
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Post by: rotomike on August 02, 2008, 11:40:45 PM
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Post by: Crankenstein300 on August 03, 2008, 02:06:14 AM
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Yes, there was a purple urethane Beast. It was the very first Beast to be released. To tell it apart from the purple reactive Beast, count the number of teeth. The original urethane Beast had four teeth between the two fangs.
The reactive version had five. I had both versions.
Actually from the looks of the ads, thats backwards. 5 teeth for the urethane and 4 for the reactive. But not having the actualy balls here I can't verify that.
Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on August 03, 2008, 04:07:06 AM
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Post by: JVan19 on August 03, 2008, 09:38:38 AM
Ebonite Nitro
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Post by: six pack on August 03, 2008, 10:15:44 AM
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Post by: NJStroker on August 03, 2008, 10:55:42 AM
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Im so glad people are brainwashed to think that TRACK sucks. And its even funnier when im carrying with my TRACK ball and they're going flat ten with their BRUNSWICK ball.
Post by: RSalas on August 03, 2008, 12:27:17 PM
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If its NIB it should say on the box?
I'm sure the original box probably did, but it disintegrated several years ago, and I didn't have the presence of mind to save the label from the box. However, I *might* have the drill sheet around here somewhere, have to check.
The Beast is now sitting in an Ebonite box. Say what you will about Ebonite covers, but their ball boxes seem to last forever.
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Post by: sevenpin63 on August 03, 2008, 05:06:05 PM
The Beast is now sitting in an Ebonite box. Say what you will about Ebonite covers, but their ball boxes seem to last forever.
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Now thats pretty funny LOL.
Post by: Lefty210 on August 03, 2008, 05:12:50 PM
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If it isn't EBONITE it isn't bowling........
Post by: Xcessive_Evil on August 03, 2008, 06:50:29 PM
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Post by: JessN16 on August 04, 2008, 03:11:00 AM
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Jess,
Sorry bout that... I was in a contrarian mood... I was punch drunk with confidence...
I agree about the proving the negative bad show on my part.
Purple Urethane beast will out...
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No worries. I just find myself in these discussions enough around the bowling center that I have to ask for verification.
For instance, on two separate occasions, I've had conversations with people who swore the both the burgundy Hammer and the gold Angle were reactive -- I'm assuming because the balls hooked so much for them that they just assumed such. Me and the pro shop guy one night almost got invited to the parking lot over the burgundy Hammer incident from a guy who would not believe it wasn't a reactive ball.
There's also the misconception that the Ebonite Optyx Formula One ball isn't reactive because it has a clear shell. And I'd wager at least a quarter of the people I know who throw Hammer don't know it's no longer a Faball company.
Jess
Post by: 1MechEng on August 04, 2008, 07:50:21 AM
Only had 2 non-reactive resin balls ... the AMF Black Angle, and a plastic Galaxie 300 that I used as a youth. Both were good balls, but nothing performance-wise compared to the modern coverstocks of the balls of the early 90's onward.
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Post by: Crankenstein300 on August 04, 2008, 10:37:43 AM
Beast urethane: http://www.grrtech.net/brians/beasturethane.jpg
Beast Flexcel: http://www.grrtech.net/brians/beastflexcel.jpg
Post by: KDawg77 on August 04, 2008, 10:40:37 AM
Blue Hammer
Ultimate Weapon
U2
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Post by: BowlingWolf on August 04, 2008, 10:46:35 AM
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OK, finally got the Beast ads scanned in. You can see the slight difference in logo between the two.
Beast urethane: http://www.grrtech.net/brians/beasturethane.jpg
Beast Flexcel: http://www.grrtech.net/brians/beastflexcel.jpg
Excellent work.
Glad to see you have those ads, which prove what many of us remember:
The original Beast was urethane.
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Post by: JMORRIS on August 04, 2008, 11:00:42 AM
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For sale: http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=200647&ForumID=107&CategoryID=12
Post by: CoachLefty on August 04, 2008, 12:37:20 PM
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Lefty
Post by: nd300 on August 04, 2008, 12:56:02 PM
2.Dull Blue Hammer---great oiler for the day.My "go to" ball for the carrydown in tournaments.
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Post by: janderson on August 04, 2008, 01:06:15 PM
Post by: pop_1 on August 04, 2008, 01:06:40 PM
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gotta go with the ebo blue crush, wish i could get one of those NIB.
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That was a good ball. Agreed
Post by: EL on August 04, 2008, 02:26:48 PM
Back to the topic...
Blue Hammer
Red Pearl Hammer
Nail
Hammer guy back then
Post by: sevenpin63 on August 04, 2008, 03:28:30 PM
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OK, finally got the Beast ads scanned in. You can see the slight difference in logo between the two.
Beast urethane: http://www.grrtech.net/brians/beasturethane.jpg
Beast Flexcel: http://www.grrtech.net/brians/beastflexcel.jpg
Yes Great Work, I would never know were to find anything like that.
Post by: rackattack on August 04, 2008, 03:42:22 PM
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I am currently using a Columbia Stingray I bought to years ago
Forgot about the Stingray.
#1 without a doubt.
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Post by: mainzer on August 04, 2008, 04:41:38 PM
What is urethane? I have never heard of it.
LOL
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Post by: JessN16 on August 04, 2008, 11:17:42 PM
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OK, finally got the Beast ads scanned in. You can see the slight difference in logo between the two.
Beast urethane: http://www.grrtech.net/brians/beasturethane.jpg
Beast Flexcel: http://www.grrtech.net/brians/beastflexcel.jpg
That's a good find there. Seems we have our answer. See if you can find a way to send that to Bowling Ball Reviews and the USBC so they can update their records.
Jess