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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: Kid Jete on February 28, 2006, 01:13:44 PM
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I swear to god our lane guy doesn't touch the back ends throughout the season. They have gradually been getting worse every week. I notice that I can throw my Exception for maybe a game then I have to switch to my WoMB which is dulled down a bit. It helps get me to the pocket a little better but I am lacking that "pop" I get in the first game and a half or so. Any suggestions would be much appreciated. By the way I have quite a bit of forward roll and above average revs and slightly above average speed if that helps.
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I've found that the Ebonite Big One looks great on carry down. I don't personally have it, but I know a few people who do and from what I've seen, that ball pretty much ignores carry down. The great thing is, on a fresh shot, it seems to get through the heads really well too with an OOB surface. Great ball!
I also like my Storm X-Factor Trifecta at 500-grit abralon for carry down. Works pretty well, but the Big One looks better.
Hope this helps!
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Sounds like you roll the ball similar to the way I do! I have a big One and it ignores most carrydown situations and has a heck of a backend pop!! I had an Xception at one point and it dosent take hardly any carrydown for that ball to screw up! BTW, for huge carrydwon situations, I have a Morich Seek and Destroy that I use but, it sounds like a Big One will be a GREAT ball for you! The Seek and Destroy just needs so much oil to work properly IMO. The Big One will be VERY versatile for you! I was amazed when I got mine! Easily the best ball I have ever thrown becasue it does well (actually GREAT) on all conditions except extreme conditions!
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For me, the Track Havoc, but unfortunately they don't make them any more.

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So far it sounds like I am going to have to look around for The Big One
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Why don't you just try a slightly higher grit level? Save some more energy for the backend. Also a slight bit more axis rotation to retain more down lane energy. I might agree on the ball choice but way too many people jump on the new ball wagon that could be fixed with slight adjustments. I know i used to be one. What about your deuce, slightly higher grit should fit above WMB.
Edited on 2/28/2006 11:14 PM
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My duece was stolen out of my friends car lol. For carry down why would I want something with higher grit or more axis tilt? I have enough problems with the ball scooting through the break point because of carry down.
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I have quite a bit of forward roll
There's your problem IMO. Not enough side roll to get a hard back end reaction to carry.
You probably have ball but don't have the right roll to score better. It's not equipment but your technique that's holding you back.
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Scott
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I guess I'm not understand why you would want more side roll with alot of carrydown. I understand that with stripped backends more sideroll would give you a bigger backend but with alot of carrydown wouldn't sideroll cause the ball to skid further through the carrydown and not react soon enough?
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Kidjete is right on here. Spinning the ball whether axis rotation or axis tilt, will promote length. On longer patterns, you want to get the ball into a roll. Carrydown my friends really isnt that different than bowling on a longer pattern. What you want here, is a ball to get through the heads, have good midlane, with a strong continuous backend. The Big One fits that description. I have yet to really see anything roll remotely close to this monster. It is a big hooker yet still controllable. I think this is the answer to your problems. Good luck to you and hope everything works out.
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I agree...any of the strong mass bias balls with a touch of surface work great on carrydown.
The mass bias seems to make up for a lack of friction at o an extent when "strong" (referring to mass bias positions) are chosen).
Total Annhilation is a favorite of mine on carrydown!
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS my experiences on carrydown also show 16s seeming to carry MUCH better than anything else on carrydown.
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Just in case you decide to read this...The DynoThane Pure Energy is one of the best balls available for combatting carrydown.
It has a low rg to get into a roll nice and early plus it has an 800 grit soaker/particle coverstock that positively chews through any sort of messy stuff down the lanes.
Nice smooth controllable backend as well.
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I guess I'm not understand why you would want more side roll with alot of carrydown. I understand that with stripped backends more sideroll would give you a bigger backend but with alot of carrydown wouldn't sideroll cause the ball to skid further through the carrydown and not react soon enough?
My point is that if you are bowling on a lane condition with carry down then usually you are not bowling on a fresh condition. Heads are going so you need some length and you ALSO need more back end reaction than you are getting with all your forward roll. This is why I find more side roll works better than forward roll. You get length thru heads that are going and better backend reaction.
If the lanes are not being maintained correctly then I'd find out why. If you are bowling on heads that are going with carry down this is the normal situation.
Why everyone is always looking for a cure in a bowling ball is beyond me.
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Scott
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I swear to god our lane guy doesn't touch the back ends throughout the season. They have gradually been getting worse every week. I notice that I can throw my Exception for maybe a game then I have to switch to my WoMB which is dulled down a bit. It helps get me to the pocket a little better but I am lacking that "pop" I get in the first game and a half or so. Any suggestions would be much appreciated. By the way I have quite a bit of forward roll and above average revs and slightly above average speed if that helps.
are you sure is carry down? WOMB has np with carry down!!! Maybe you got too much oil!!
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I guess i did not state clearly enough but I think Scott and JoeC are understanding it. Exception is a medium strength cover highly polished with good amount of flare. WMB is a stronger cover, decent flare and as stated is somewhat dulled down. He stated he can get to the pocket but not have consistant POP on the end (probably losing too much energy early especially with a forward release). Say the ball is at 800 grit why not try 1000 grit which get you through the heads cleaner but still give a consistant read of a sheen or dulled ball and somewhat delaying energy transfer. Also note I stated a touch more axis rotation and not tilt. A touch meaning maybe go from 25 degree axis to 45 degrees or O to 25 degrees. All these slight adjustments change the transfer of energy. Almost always someone pipes in on a new ball and yes they are correct it would fit the bill. I just see too many people jump to a new ball when they might be able to figure it out utilizing what they have. My $.03
P.S. - Why would you expect to get "pop" from a dulled ball like you were getting from a skid/snappy pearl? Not throwing stones just asking as the characteristics of both balls are not on the same plane.
Edited on 3/1/2006 5:41 PM
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The WoMB worked fairly well I guess I am just not used to seeing this much carry down at this particular house, which is why I commented about our lane guy. The shot has changed since the first session and seems to be alot drier than it used to be which doesn't really make sense with the carrydown seeming to be worse. Who knows I'll have to ask him what's going on.
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lefty I meant pop at the pin deck not the break point. Just seemed like the carry wasn't there.
also I'll try taking the WoMB to somewhere around 1000 grit and see what kinda look that gives me.
Edited on 3/1/2006 5:50 PM
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I have a buzzsaw gold nugget that i like when the backends soften. The shine gets through heads and the early rolling core allows it to ignore the carrydown. I personally go to more roll and play straighter. It makes me think low RG with higher differential might help. Just a thought.
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Kid,
I understand what your saying. When you have more forward roll you burn energy early and using a duller ball it might be using soo much up that you don't get the carry. Being a high tracker my natural release is with less axis rotation and energy usage is very critical to my carry although my hook shape may look somewhat the same. Even directional sanding may aid in your issues. Post your experiences.