Author Topic: Curious about Low RG, Low Diff. (Read 1617 times)

Jeff The Chef · « **on:** August 03, 2004, 10:48:42 AM »

I was slightly bored today and was searching around to try and find other balls that were similar to my Teal Rhino and was surprised to find just one other ball that had anywhere near the same specs. That ball was the Super Trooper by Columbia. Specs on the two balls are as follows:

Teal Rhino: RG 2.45, Diff 0.023, Reactive cover (not sure which one), 320 sanded from the factory.

Super Trooper: RG 2.487, Diff 0.020, Superflex coverstock; 500 grit cross hatched, then shined to 2000 from the factory(I think).

For me the Teal Rhino is very controllable. I have it at about a 1000 grit polish (very lightly polished) right now and it helps to smooth out the touchy patterns I usually see because it refuses to flip.....just ARC ARC ARC. I would tend to think that a Super Trooper (if left in box condition) would flip more than the Rhino due to it's Superflex coverstock and polished finish.

So my question is, why aren't there more balls like this with a Low RG and Low Diff?

Is this type of core specs/solid reactive cover combo and the reaction it gives just not desired on todays conditions?

The Teal Rhino is arguably my favorite ball of all time and it saddens me to know that the only way to replace it's reaction characteristics in my bag once it dies is to either find more Teal Rhino's, or try really weak/arcy layouts on other solid reactive balls.

If, in fact, there are/were other balls with similar specs made, please feel free to correct me.

While I'm at it I may as well ask this too:

If I were to get a Super Trooper, what kind of layout and surface prep could I give it that would best mimic my Rhino's reaction? I would try to get a Super Trooper with a similar pin-out/specs of course. The Rhino is drilled label and has a 1/2" pin at 1:30 from the CG (which is in my grip center due to the label drilling).
Pic can be seen here (it's very high quality so it may take time to load): http://members.rogers.com/nostalgiazone/tealrhinopro.jpg

My specs/stats are in my profile.

- Chef

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Re-Evolution · « **Reply #1 on:** August 04, 2004, 01:59:37 AM »

www.buddiesproshop.com has some Rhino Pro Teals for $90.
I think that the short pin to cg has alot to do with the smooth reation of your Rhino. Label drilling + short pin = earlier and smoother reation.
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Jeff The Chef · « **Reply #2 on:** August 04, 2004, 02:15:11 AM »

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I think that the short pin to cg has a lot to do with the smooth reaction of your Rhino. Label drilling = short pin = earlier and smoother reaction

I realize that, but the solid reactive cover on it is what gives it it's ability to blend out the wet-dry's I typically see. That's why I don't really think the Super Trooper will fill the Rhino's spot because the Superflex cover "creates the most backend reaction in bowling" (and is pearlized I think?). It seems to me that the Super Trooper would be squirty on the wet-dry conditions because of this.

I do have a NIB Teal Rhino to replace the one in the pic when it dies, but thanks for the link to Buddies anyway. It will be awhile before the new one gets drilled and used, but it's after that Rhino dies that I will be desperately looking for a replacement (in 2 years or so). I am asking now because who knows when Columbia will discontinue the Super Trooper and replace it with something else that is not like the Teal Rhino in any way. I just didn't want to let it slip by if it could be a good alternative.

Thanks for the reply, anybody else?
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charlest · « **Reply #3 on:** August 04, 2004, 03:49:19 AM »

There are not solely, in my opinion, because very few people want a small hooking ball. Most balls with small RG differential wind up flaring very little are their main purpose is control. People, in general, do not control; they want huge hooking monsters. Even most tournaments players feel that way. Thus, balls like your Teal and the Super Trooper do not usually stay in production very long.

Also, check out the AMF Valor/P Tour model. It is very much in this vein: strongish cover (particle pearl), low RG and very low RG differential. I'm surprised it's been around as long as it has.

FYI a ball does not have to have a low RG to be effective in this manner. I have an ancient Revolution Vengenace. It is a resin pearl with a high RG, around 2.63, but very low RG Diff and very strong cover. It has very little backend but hits very hard.

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JohnP · « **Reply #4 on:** August 04, 2004, 11:30:28 AM »

Jeff The Chef -- If I loved a ball as much as you love the Teal Rhino, I'd invest in two or three more while they are available. Having said that, you might also look at the urethane balls with a good core, the Slate Blue Gargoyle and the XXL. -- JohnP-- JohnP

Jeff The Chef · « **Reply #5 on:** August 04, 2004, 01:56:23 PM »

Charlest - I never noticed the Valor/P Tour before, thanks for pointing it out. I guess it would be slightly better than the Super Trooper due to it having particles in the cover which would help smooth the reaction out.

John P - I am trying to find a couple more Rhino's but I am holding off on ordering them from an internet site because about twice a year they seem to show up around here used and are usually in good condition.

A lot of people seemed to like the Tour Power as a control type ball, but I have almost no chance of finding one so it's not a viable alternative. Another ball that I think could be a perfect replacement is the solid reactive V2 from Ebonite. I think it could be what I'm looking for as long as I drill it weak and put a light polish on it. The only thing I'm worried about is the V2 being discontinued because its been on the market for what? 5 or so years? Then again, if I time it right I'd be able to get a couple cheap if they did get discontinued

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Jeff The Chef · « **Reply #6 on:** August 05, 2004, 12:11:22 AM »

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Low rg, low diff balls can be pretty versatile for heavier handed players, and great control balls on dry for straighter players. The nice thing about them is you can polish the surface for dry without getting the flippy reaction so often associated with resin equipment. Thats why the tour power was so popular.

Thank you, Bob, for putting into words the reason(s) why I like the Teal Rhino so much! I don't know why I had such trouble trying to say that

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