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Neptune66

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Best Type of Ball for long pattern
« on: January 31, 2019, 04:14:04 AM »
Been struggling for few years now at house that use to be my favorite (until the shot changed), and recently was told it’s a longer pattern.

The amount of oil varies, but I just can’t seen to find and keep a consistent line as I can’t seem to consistently predict WHEN my ball will transition from the oil to the dry part of the lane. Seems to be worse with stronger reactive and not as bad with weaker balls. Urethane ball (Storm Pitch Blue) helps sometimes, but I have low revs and that increases chances of splits etc..

Is there a certain type ball or certain drilling that is best suited for a long pattern? I realize other factors (Bowler’s style and how much oil, for example), that are factors. But is there a type of ball that is more forgiving if you’re having trouble finding or hitting your sweet spot as far as that part of the lane that transitions from oil to dry?

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Re: Best Type of Ball for long pattern
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2019, 07:54:25 AM »
When you say that you cannot predict your balls transition from oil to dry, you are saying that the ball is too twitchy down lane? You say this happens with stronger reactive resins. What ball are you throwing and what surface is it at?

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Re: Best Type of Ball for long pattern
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2019, 08:23:28 AM »
It really depends a ,lot on your style.  No way to answer without knowing more about your game. Also, it depends on whether the pattern is flatter edge to edge or more typical house shot.   
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Re: Best Type of Ball for long pattern
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2019, 10:41:29 AM »
How reliable is your source stating that its a longer pattern?  Based on what you are saying about equipment reaction, it sounds like your stronger equipment might be rolling out.  I would use your weaker equipment but add some surface to it.  Just my 2 cents.

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Re: Best Type of Ball for long pattern
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2019, 12:37:06 PM »
Not sure how reliable my source is. He does tend to get information that sometimes ends up being helpful, but depends how reliable his sources are.

Have used so many different balls I can’t say which I’ve used the most. And have never been s very precise bowler... able to hit exactly the same spot repeatedly. But at this house it seems like rolling what appears to be the same shot successively does not yield consistent
Behavior from the b-ball’s.

Is less variance with weaker equipment, but a matter of degree. Not like night and day.

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Re: Best Type of Ball for long pattern
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2019, 03:22:29 PM »
Not sure how reliable my source is. He does tend to get information that sometimes ends up being helpful, but depends how reliable his sources are.

Have used so many different balls I can’t say which I’ve used the most. And have never been s very precise bowler... able to hit exactly the same spot repeatedly. But at this house it seems like rolling what appears to be the same shot successively does not yield consistent
Behavior from the b-ball’s.

Is less variance with weaker equipment, but a matter of degree. Not like night and day.
Weaker equipment as in shiner pearls balls? What does a duller ball do for you on this shot for you?

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Re: Best Type of Ball for long pattern
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2019, 05:03:12 PM »
Have more sustained success at this house with duller, more arcing (vs skid-flip) balls, but nothing seems to work for more than a game or two.

Am only about 180-190 average, but at the other houses, I am able to make good adjustments and even when I can’t, I know what  doing wrong and what I’m doing well. At this house, it’s not just how high or low my scores are. It’s this feeling of being lost and not knowing what to try to fix it. And yes... at this point it’s at least in part a mental issue, cause after a few “what?”  Moments, things go south in a hurry. No such trouble elsewhere.

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Re: Best Type of Ball for long pattern
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2019, 06:09:27 PM »
Have more sustained success at this house with duller, more arcing (vs skid-flip) balls, but nothing seems to work for more than a game or two.

Am only about 180-190 average, but at the other houses, I am able to make good adjustments and even when I can’t, I know what  doing wrong and what I’m doing well. At this house, it’s not just how high or low my scores are. It’s this feeling of being lost and not knowing what to try to fix it. And yes... at this point it’s at least in part a mental issue, cause after a few “what?”  Moments, things go south in a hurry. No such trouble elsewhere.
Sounds like it could be a longer pattern. Perhaps not very heavy either (correct me if I am wrong). While a lot of people prefer shinier balls on longer oil for a stronger response to friction, sometimes they can get too unpredictable at the end of the pattern. Longer oil can get tricky on the transition while throwing dull stuff. The heads and midlanes start drying out and most of your dull stuff starts losing steam but shiny stuff is still too unpredictable down lane. Is this what you are experiencing?


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Re: Best Type of Ball for long pattern
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2019, 06:24:25 PM »
It really depends on the shape of the pattern.  Typical house shot has verly little oil outside 2nd arrow no matter how long the buff down the middle. If the pattern is flatter, the the length becomes very critical becsuse the swing area becomes more limited the longer the buff.

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Re: Best Type of Ball for long pattern
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2019, 06:23:45 AM »
"Sounds like it could be a longer pattern. Perhaps not very heavy either (correct me if I am wrong). While a lot of people prefer shinier balls on longer oil for a stronger response to friction, sometimes they can get too unpredictable at the end of the pattern. Longer oil can get tricky on the transition while throwing dull stuff. The heads and midlanes start drying out and most of your dull stuff starts losing steam but shiny stuff is still too unpredictable down lane. Is this what you are experiencing?"

Yes.   That does sound like what I'm experiencing (aside from the mental anguish and aggravation).

Last night I wasn't god awful, but could never get into any kind of a rhythm. Any adjustments made only worked for a couple of frames ----course part of that is I would immediately lose patience and abandon whatever change I had made if it didn't result in 3 or 4 decent deliveries in a row.  Maybe I need a ball that comes with a free pyscho-analysis session?

Ironically when I get mad and start lofting the ball quite a bit down the lane, I have some initial success and even comment that I'm throwing the ball past the oil.  But of course that results in even more skidding and less accuracy.

Despite or because of having relatively low revs, most of my equipment is more skid flip, which exaggerates when I'm missing my target in terms of accuracy or speed.  But using more arcing type balls seems to result in balls hitting like wet noodles....even though I still have decent speed (around 16mph).

But the biggest challenge is reading the lanes.  Other houses and even in tournaments, I may not like the way my balls are reacting or the results, but I know as soon as the ball is delivered where it's going and why. In this house am having way too many deliveries where I am surprised at what the ball did.   Even some of the GOOD results have me shaking my head in amazement and being puzzled as to why THAT delivery worked out the way it did, even though the ball felt like crap when I delivered it.




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Re: Best Type of Ball for long pattern
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2019, 10:29:52 AM »
It sounds to me at least that you are running into the problem of reactive balls being to strong for your bowling eye. Weaker balls are way easier to read than stronger balls, and are a lot less sensitive to variations in your throws. In a lot of cases, reactive balls are way too much for a situation, and thats why urethane is making such a comeback.

However, if you don't have a lot of revs, that obviously limits how much damage you can do with a urethane. I would guess the best bet for you is to get a higher grit surface solid ball like a hyroad x or nano or torrent that will not completely jump off the spot, but will still maintain angle (this is all guessing because I cant see how you are throwing it). I am with you on liking to use weaker equipment, and the only stronger equipment I can really get comfortable with is solid equipment drilled weaker (theres a reason tour edition balls are much lower RG/diffs, its because strong layouts are typically unpredictable/unreadable on lanes and too often).


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Re: Best Type of Ball for long pattern
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2019, 01:24:09 PM »
Well without seeing how I bowl (consider yourself lucky...it could cause eye damage 🙂) you are describing pretty accurately what I’m experiencing.

Sometimes I pull out one of my strongest reactives and have success for awhile, but then things start to deteriorate. A few weeks ago I bowled a really nice 251 in 2nd league game. It wasn’t just the score. Was consistently hitting my mark and easily duplicating the shot in every frame. And then in the 3rd game, it all went away and I bowled a 145. Again... big just the score, but a total loss of targeting, etc.

Considered switching to a weaker ball, but was too late.

And I have a Storm Pitch Blue Urethane and have some nice games with it cause it’s easy to control. But some days get a lot of splits with it.

Am going to try re-adding finger grips (stopped using them about 10 years ago) to a couple of my weaker reactives and see if the combination of more revs and weaker ball might work.