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taylors23

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Best way to get sponsered.
« on: March 05, 2013, 10:05:55 AM »
Was wondering if anyone can tell me the best way to get sponsered by a ball company. i have a 230+ average. Can play a coast to coast or a down and in line. I am going to be hitting some reginonals in the south and the U S Open in July.
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Re: Best way to get sponsered.
« Reply #46 on: March 07, 2013, 10:40:23 AM »
Thanks, but after reading your posts I don't believe there is anything you'll be able to help me with behind a drill press.

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Re: Best way to get sponsered.
« Reply #47 on: March 07, 2013, 03:15:09 PM »
Having a ball deal has nothing to do with how good a bowler is (in most cases).  Getting a ball deal means you have a way to help sell product for the company that put's you on as a "staff guy".  I use to get the question 5x's a day back when I was a C300 rep and my question back to them was "how will you help ME sell product" I wouldn't even listen to most if they didn't have a pro shop.

So instead of talking about how great of a bowler you are I would suggest to talk about how many balls you can sell per month and you might find someone that is interested.  Bottom line it's about sales and what you can do to help grow the bottom line.

Good luck...

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Re: Best way to get sponsered.
« Reply #48 on: March 08, 2013, 07:58:07 AM »
I wasn't able to post yesterday . . and I really missed a lot I guess.  I don't have any clue what this 1/16th business is about, and BrunsNick had the best advice here.  Hit your lines, if you do that, perfect fit.  And I really don't get what you're talking about with the thumb going side to side . . because unless you're missing by 1/8th on the fingers or something, it doesn't affect it.  We're talking adjusting thumb left or right by a millimeter or two for missing by 1/32 or something.  Anybody who misses a span by 3/8 shouldn't be allowed to touch a ball period.  I don't know what pro shop people do in your area, but up here, we hit lines. I measure 3 or 4 times before every cut, I start the hole with the tip of the bit, turn the machine off, then lower it down until the bit is almost resting on the ball to make absolutely certain the edge of the bit is going to be right on the line, and THEN I drill the hole. 

I've had to plug and drill fingers only before measuring from the thumb several times, and it's a certifiable pain every time.  Again, Nick is right, hit your lines and it doesn't matter, but I don't like wasting a bunch of extra time measuring.  The real issue here is do you drill cut to cut or full span?  If you drill cut to cut, it makes ZERO difference if you measure right and hit your lines.  Drilling full span is different.  We do that primarily because 95% of our customers use grips, and most of them don't have stuff drilled very often, so the likelyhood of their grip size changing is pretty high.  If we go cut to cut, we would have to change it all the time based on grip thickness.  If we just go full span, we never have to measure the grips.  If you start with the thumb, you get that in, then you have to measure the thickness of the front wall of each grip, then subtract that from the span to get where you actually have to put the lines.  If you go fingers first, you layout the ball, drill the fingers, install the grips, then just measure each side, draw your line, and drill. 

So I suppose my deal is a speed and simplicity thing, fingers first equals fewer steps and less time spent, point and case.  If you can hit lines and prefer to go thumb first, go with it.  But I go fingers first, hit lines, and will have the ball done and out the door before you get the ball off the press.  Seriously though, I'll video myself punching a ball, but I'll go 4x4 3/8 to make it easier to get into the picture.  3/8 is still 3/8.  My daughter starts youth leagues an hour before I get on the clock tomorrow, so I've got time to mess around with this.  The ONLY reason I could see doing thumb first is if you do the centerline transfer method, then of course you'd have to drill the thumb first, but nobody here said anything about that. 

So really the major point here is what Nick said, hit your lines, but don't act like fingers first or thumb first has any effect on accuracy, because it doesn't.  I find fingers first to be more efficient, and I'm merely defending that point.
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Re: Best way to get sponsered.
« Reply #49 on: March 08, 2013, 08:09:39 AM »
I think the main thing here for the actual question is to figure out how to help a company sell and relay that to the rep in your resume and just hope they pick you up to see if you can actually help grow the business of the company. 
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Re: Best way to get sponsered.
« Reply #50 on: March 08, 2013, 11:07:09 AM »
I am located in Murfreesboro, TN. One of the Proshops here sells Ebonite Inc. Stuff and the other One Sells Storm/Rotogrip. I love both. I am asked every night That i bowl League and when I Practice what kind of ball someone needs to be throwing. So i do have influence here. I keep upto date on all bowling balls and have not missed a ball for someone yet. So to me there is not much difference in bowling balls but the person throwing them.
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Re: Best way to get sponsered.
« Reply #51 on: March 08, 2013, 11:10:46 AM »
I am located in Murfreesboro, TN. One of the Proshops here sells Ebonite Inc. Stuff and the other One Sells Storm/Rotogrip. I love both. I am asked every night That i bowl League and when I Practice what kind of ball someone needs to be throwing. So i do have influence here. I keep upto date on all bowling balls and have not missed a ball for someone yet. So to me there is not much difference in bowling balls but the person throwing them.

Better watch out, Long Gone Daddy will be on here quick cutting you down for being "superior and condescending," better have your USBC number handy for him to verify your credentials. 
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Re: Best way to get sponsered.
« Reply #52 on: March 08, 2013, 11:43:36 AM »
I am located in Murfreesboro, TN. One of the Proshops here sells Ebonite Inc. Stuff and the other One Sells Storm/Rotogrip. I love both. I am asked every night That i bowl League and when I Practice what kind of ball someone needs to be throwing. So i do have influence here. I keep upto date on all bowling balls and have not missed a ball for someone yet. So to me there is not much difference in bowling balls but the person throwing them.

I understand what you are saying....but let's do some math...

If a ball contract offers you 15 balls per year
3 shirts
3 bags

There is a base cost to the company for putting you on staff...right?

Do you really influence enough ball sales in a year to offset that much cost?  If it costs XYZ ball compay $60 on average to put a new ball in your hand, and their profit margin per ball is $20 (just using random numbers), you have to sell 45 balls per year (not to mention the shirts and bags) just for them to break even.  It's about the ball company benefiting....You see the same group of bowlers each week in league, and if you just bowl local tourneys, it's the same core group of bowlers.  Are you really going to get 50+ people to go buy a new ball because you're throwing it?

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Re: Best way to get sponsered.
« Reply #53 on: March 08, 2013, 12:57:50 PM »
 15 balls are 2003 Ebonite contracts.  I pretty sure these days most staff guys are lucky to get 1/2 that.

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Re: Best way to get sponsered.
« Reply #54 on: March 08, 2013, 01:04:35 PM »
If you simply get one of each new release you're looking at 7 or 8...pretty sure most get a bump in the beginning of a couple of pieces.  Yes 15 may be a bit much, but the point remains that decent local bowlers don't sell as many balls as they think they do.

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Re: Best way to get sponsered.
« Reply #55 on: March 08, 2013, 01:44:27 PM »
If you simply get one of each new release you're looking at 7 or 8...pretty sure most get a bump in the beginning of a couple of pieces.  Yes 15 may be a bit much, but the point remains that decent local bowlers don't sell as many balls as they think they do.

True.  It costs bowling companies 50 bucks for just the materials and equipment to make the balls, that's what it costs for everything from a White Dot (yes, Columbia actually makes White Dots at a loss) to the newest thing on the market.  But there are several different tiers of sponsorship.  Full, amateur, and advisory.  Advisories generally still have a fee, it's like 60 or 70 bucks a ball, but it's a best of both worlds type deal, might be able to line that up, but still, balls they sell you for 60 or 70 are balls they aren't selling someone else for 130 or 140 . .
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