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taylors23

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Best way to get sponsered.
« on: March 05, 2013, 10:05:55 AM »
Was wondering if anyone can tell me the best way to get sponsered by a ball company. i have a 230+ average. Can play a coast to coast or a down and in line. I am going to be hitting some reginonals in the south and the U S Open in July.
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Re: Best way to get sponsered.
« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2013, 07:12:37 PM »
I know 3 people that do not own a pro shop and do not work in a bowling center and they are sponsored by Storm.  Plus, 2 of them bowl in 1 tournament per month (at best).

Basically, its who you know !!


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Re: Best way to get sponsered.
« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2013, 11:21:07 PM »
Knowing someone helps get your foot in the door.....but the bottom line is they are giving you something, and they want something in return. Sales. Period. If you are not helping them promote the brand and bring attention and sales to their company then tbey aren't interested.

And I'm sorry for the guy who thinks he is driving all the Storm sales. This isn't how it works. Storm sold those balls by building a product that helped you go out and score well with it. Why would they assume you did something more for them? An older fellow on my league is averaging over 240 with 6-800's this year with a Defiant Edge....only one guy on his team went and bought one.

Balls sell themselves....you shooting score with it may help but it is far from the reason someone goes and buys one.

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Re: Best way to get sponsered.
« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2013, 11:54:14 PM »
Stop drilling for anybody but yourself and you may have a chance.  They probably found out you drill out of the house.  No ball company can or will support somebody taking business away from a legit shop.
A legit shop? I am sorry but Those do not exist in my region. The pro-shops around me do not understand the importance of drilling the thumb hole first. There is no way possible to fit a ball precisely drilling fingers first. Plus they charge $50 bucks and half the equipment is not "legal". So there is basically 3 of the best reason possible as to why I drill my own stuff and whoever else wants me to drill theirs.
The pro-shop staff does not understand in detail how the positions and depths of balance hole effect a balls motion.
Plus The guys I drill for do not even use the pro-shops within a 150 mile radius. They would rather use their money on gas traveling to Baton Rouge than let these local pro-shops drill their equipment. As a result, I drill peoples equipment because they know I will drill it precisely and accurately according to their pap and span.
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Re: Best way to get sponsered.
« Reply #19 on: March 06, 2013, 12:57:38 AM »
I asked a Storm Sales rep what the best way to get sponsored is and he said (paraphrasing because it was a couple of years ago) "your area is saturated with storm sponsored amateurs, so we're not looking to add anyone else...but basically it comes down to winning tournaments, that's what will get you sponsored".

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Re: Best way to get sponsered.
« Reply #20 on: March 06, 2013, 07:13:41 AM »
ithink,
You can say whatever you'd like to try and justify what you are doing, I'm just giving you an insiders point of view. 

You're going to have to explain to me why the fingers can't be drilled first.  I guarantee I can drill you a ball and you would never be able to tell what order I drilled any of the 3 holes.

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Re: Best way to get sponsered.
« Reply #21 on: March 06, 2013, 08:08:57 AM »
ithink,
You can say whatever you'd like to try and justify what you are doing, I'm just giving you an insiders point of view. 

You're going to have to explain to me why the fingers can't be drilled first.  I guarantee I can drill you a ball and you would never be able to tell what order I drilled any of the 3 holes.

Um wow . . yeah . . thumb first?  I get layouts within 1/64th drilling fingers first, I really don't understand how you drill a ball with grips accurately going thumb first, it's waaaay more work and measuring.  You have to take into account the exact thickness of each grip, you have to make sure the thumb is in the right spot on the ball to get the fingers in the right spot on the layout . . I really can't comprehend why someone would ever drill a ball thumb first.  You drill the fingers, that way you can get them in the right position, you put the grips in, measure from that to the full span or just cut to cut (which is actually the easier measurement to go by, though if someone's grip size changes, it will give you problems), not to mention that if you get the grips in there and measure and find out you're a little long or short on one finger or the other, you can shift the thumb slightly right or left to adjust.  You drill the thumb first and put even just one finger in a little off and you're screwed.  I can drill a perfect ball in 10 minutes with grips and a slug, I'd have to add at least 10 minutes if I went thumb first, someone would really have to explain to me exactly what benefit thumb first gives you.  Anytime someone brings in a ball to have the fingers plugged and moved on it, I HATE having to measure the fingers and just drilling them because with the grip thicknesses, it's super hard to get it dead on accurate.  Not to mention that the thumb is only one line to measure out and hit, making that the only critical hole to hit, you go thumb first and the fingers are both critical holes to hit.  I see absolutely zero benefit or advantage in drilling the thumb first, and nothing but more chances for something to go wrong.  Furthermore, with an oval thumb (which 95% of people use), if you get the span a hair too long, you can adjust by going towards the fingers with the first or even second cut if you need to.  He talks like he knows what he's doing . . but I know what I'm doing, and I can't think of any situation where you would ever drill a thumbhole first. 
What would you be if you were attached to another object by an inclined plane, wrapped helically around an axis?

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Re: Best way to get sponsered.
« Reply #22 on: March 06, 2013, 09:02:38 AM »
Wow,
You guys can argue all day which way is right, wrong or indifferent, all I'm saying is it doesn't matter what order any of the 3 holes are drilled as long as you can use a span ruler properly.

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Re: Best way to get sponsered.
« Reply #23 on: March 06, 2013, 09:35:49 AM »
Wow,
You guys can argue all day which way is right, wrong or indifferent, all I'm saying is it doesn't matter what order any of the 3 holes are drilled as long as you can use a span ruler properly.

Yes, haha.  I was just offering a counter to his rather definitive opinion on drilling the thumbhole first.  He was so adamant that that's the only way and everybody else that did it any other way was wrong that I had to offer a defense.  But yes, you're absolutely correct. 
What would you be if you were attached to another object by an inclined plane, wrapped helically around an axis?

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Re: Best way to get sponsered.
« Reply #24 on: March 06, 2013, 01:41:04 PM »
So you are telling me you can drill a ball with no finger inserts, fingers first? well my thumb insert to my finger holes with no inserts measures 5" from thumb to middle first and 5_3/8 from thumb to ring finger because my ring finger is extremely long. To be honest with you it is longer than my middle finger. There is no way possible you could just drill my span precisely if you drilled my fingers first. Wes Malott showed me why and so did Mike Seally. Mike Seally use to drill Jason couch's equipment and many others. They both taught me more than than the pro shop seminar I attended in Texas.
But this topic is not about drilling stuff it is about how to get on with a company. I bowl many tournaments, Present myself very well, never express my feeling on the lanes, I drill bowling balls, I have quiet a few 300's and 800's for my age, I have decent pull of sales in bowling balls for local pro-shops and whoever wants these "pro"-shops to drill their equipment, I bowl in as many tournaments as uncle sam lets me, and I do very well but I am still learning like everyone else.
As far as getting on with a company, it truly comes down to who you know. You can drill and sale tons of equipment and bowl good in tournaments but unless you know someone. You will not get on the amateur staff.
You need to compete for something greater than just winning.
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Re: Best way to get sponsered.
« Reply #25 on: March 06, 2013, 02:20:44 PM »
I can't believe I'm reading this....

Ithinkican are you really that stupid?

How does drilling the thumb first make you more accurate?  Sure if you're stupid enough not to remeasure after drilling the fingers then yes.  I have been drilling on and off for 10 years and have never missed a line because I drill the fingers first.  If one finger ends up a 32nd too low guess what...the thumb moves ever so slightly to one side.

Go learn some basic geometry before you come on here spouting ignorant garbage like that....

I'll put my house on drilling 100 balls more accurately than you doing the fingers first.  Go back to your basement and drill more league hero balls.
« Last Edit: March 06, 2013, 03:15:29 PM by Russell »

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Re: Best way to get sponsered.
« Reply #26 on: March 06, 2013, 02:33:22 PM »
I'd have to see why . . but last time I checked, for that span, you mark the middle finger, measure 3/8ths up, mark the ring, then put the holes in it . .  I would obviously have to think those guys that showed you how to do it know what they're talking about, but I would guarantee you I could drill you a ball fingers first.  I drilled a ball perfect the first time for a guy with webbed fingers . . meaning that his middle and ring fingers were fused from the base all the way up to the tips, just getting separation at his cuticles.  This was a conventionally drilled ball, so no way to accurately measure full finger size, to know what oval width to go for, what pitches to start at because of course the fingerholes had to overlap, but still have a ridge in between to grip with, and only an older crude way to measure span because of course with his fingers being fused he couldn't properly fit into a measuring ball.  Send me your specs and I'll punch up an old junk ball we have just to see.  Keep in mind I'm not trying to prove you wrong, because being a pro shop guy, anything I can find to make me better, I'll be all over it, I just really don't see how drilling a thumb first is more effective.  And honestly, 98% of the balls I drill have grips in them, and the ones that don't are easier to drill because I don't have to account for the differences in grip wall thickness in laying the ball out. 

While I don't echo Russell's abrasive attitude . . I do echo what he says, and actually said most of it earlier in this thread.  Fingers first allows you miss room and adjustments, something that thumb first doesn't allow.  Again, obviously the people who taught you are established, respected names, I just wonder if it wasn't a trick to your fit specifically . . because I've never had problems nailing any fit before, and certainly nothing that going thumb first would fix.  I am however EXTREMELY curious about what exactly they told/taught you, if you wouldn't mind sharing it or at least covering the basic concept. 
What would you be if you were attached to another object by an inclined plane, wrapped helically around an axis?

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Re: Best way to get sponsered.
« Reply #27 on: March 06, 2013, 02:37:54 PM »
No need for name calling.  He's just a little mis-informed.

I don't understand what finger inserts have to do with anything.

What I'm saying is if I drill you a ball, unless you watch me, you won't know if I drill it thumb first, fingers first, middle-thumb-ring, or ring-thumb-middle. 

No need for name dropping, I've drilled side by side with and for some of the best.  To be honest I have no idea about Wes' drilling ability.  He could be a great ball driller.  But don't take for granted that just because he is a great bowler he is a great ball driller.

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Re: Best way to get sponsered.
« Reply #28 on: March 06, 2013, 02:44:26 PM »
What if I tell ya I drill thumb first if the ball gets a slug, and fingers first if it doesn't?  Oy!

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Re: Best way to get sponsered.
« Reply #29 on: March 06, 2013, 02:47:09 PM »
I get chapped with people that drill in their homes and know more than those of us that do it for a living.  He's bashing pro shops for being bad because they don't do it like he does...god knows how many pro shops have lost business because he has told people this.  I deal with people like that near me.  They tell customers their ball is drilled wrong because it has an extra hole...and they average 215 so people believe them.

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Re: Best way to get sponsered.
« Reply #30 on: March 06, 2013, 02:57:29 PM »
No need for name calling.  He's just a little mis-informed.

I don't understand what finger inserts have to do with anything.

What I'm saying is if I drill you a ball, unless you watch me, you won't know if I drill it thumb first, fingers first, middle-thumb-ring, or ring-thumb-middle. 

No need for name dropping, I've drilled side by side with and for some of the best.  To be honest I have no idea about Wes' drilling ability.  He could be a great ball driller.  But don't take for granted that just because he is a great bowler he is a great ball driller.

Finger inserts only make a difference if you are drilling full span instead of cut to cut, because if you start thumb first and measure full span, you have to measure the grip thickness and subtract that so you know where to put the line for the actual cut. 
What would you be if you were attached to another object by an inclined plane, wrapped helically around an axis?