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Better Bowling Videos?
« on: October 01, 2011, 03:57:58 AM »
Is there a site where you can see league or more normal type bowlers using some of the newer equipment?  You know someone who throws the ball between 12 and 16 mph and has average revs.  Maybe someone who averages from 180 to 200.  Not some of the pros or some kids with a million revs who stand way left and throws right at 50 mpn.  Maybe those type videos help some but most people don't average 220 plus.  A little help for us normal and senior bowlers would be appreciated.


 

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« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2011, 12:28:36 PM »
Just look for the ball on youtube..
 
Most videos though, if they are on a site with one person throwing a lot of different balls, will be thrown by staff players, or ball drillers... so will be decent bowlers.
 
I'm not sure it really matters what average the bowler carries, just so that you can see a bowler with the same sort of rev-rate as you.. and maybe tilt/axes rotation if possible..
 


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« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2011, 12:55:30 PM »
 Personally, Britton (br user videoballreviews) has a pretty average release. His reviews are good. Check him out on youtube or go to videoballreviews.com

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« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2011, 01:28:41 PM »
yes britton has quality videos but his stuff always reacts the same no matter what he drills...


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« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2011, 01:41:11 PM »
That's kinda the problem doing videos on house patterns.. all will react pretty similar.
 
We always try to do our videos on sport shots, to best represent what the ball has been designed to do..
 
 
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yes britton has quality videos but his stuff always reacts the same no matter what he drills...


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Re: Better Bowling Videos?
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2011, 02:04:57 PM »
Britton will show both house shots and either a pba pattern or a kegel pattern. 2 seperate videos.


 
RyanRPS wrote on 10/1/2011 1:41 PM:
That's kinda the problem doing videos on house patterns.. all will react pretty similar.
 
We always try to do our videos on sport shots, to best represent what the ball has been designed to do..
 
 
StickZ wrote on 01/10/2011 1:28 PM:
yes britton has quality videos but his stuff always reacts the same no matter what he drills...


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Re: Better Bowling Videos?
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2011, 02:19:24 PM »
I think i've had this discussion on this site before...starting a year or two ago i started doing ALL my videos on a sport shot AND a house shot, and i have been doing just sport shot videos for awhile now...ryan is correct, everything blends on a typical house shot.  Wouldn't be hard for a high end ball and low end ball to be used on the same line on a house shot with a good amount of friction to the right.

 

StickZ I don't understand how you can say everything i drill reacts the same.  If that were the case i would be playing the exact same line with every ball i throw...when i do a video (just like anyone else would in league) i start in my comfort zone which is right around the track area...if the ball strikes i stay put, if not, i move right or left until it strikes.  I try to keep the videos as real as possible.


RyanRPS wrote on 10/1/2011 1:41 PM:
That's kinda the problem doing videos on house patterns.. all will react pretty similar.

 

We always try to do our videos on sport shots, to best represent what the ball has been designed to do..

 

 


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yes britton has quality videos but his stuff always reacts the same no matter what he drills...





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« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2011, 03:01:58 PM »
 I agree with Britton. I watch his vids of 900 global and Amf stuff, and can get a good idea on what the balls will do for me. The hooks are much weaker than, say, a bank roll. Doesn't play the same line. Also, the ball motion is important too. Bank roll is smoother in its motion than the nuts.

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« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2011, 07:17:50 PM »
from what I have seen Britton, and im not saying you dont have good videos because you do. But I would love to see a ball played up 10 on a house shot. also, all of your stuff is extremely smooth, show me something that when it hits the dry makes a left turn. show me some layouts right of the ring finger with the cg kicked. Again, not bashing you or your videos, they are great and I watch many of them, jus from what i see thats all bro. Sorry if I came off the wrong way to you, was not intended.


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Re: Better Bowling Videos?
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2011, 11:40:47 PM »

 



StickZ wrote on 10/1/2011 7:17 PM:
I would love to see a ball played up 10 on a house shot.

WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO SEE SOMEONE BOWL ON A LINE THAT MIGHT NOT BE THE CORRECT ONE TO DEMONSTRATE THE BALLS CAPABILITIES?

 
also, all of your stuff is extremely smooth, show me something that when it hits the dry makes a left turn.
HIS STYLE IS SOMEWHAT MATCHED, WHICH TENDS TO MAKE A BALL MORE CONTROLABLE, AND LESS "SNAPPY", SO LESS LIKELY TO SEE HIM THROW A BALL THAT JUMPS LEFT OFF THE DRY AS HARD AS SOME OTHERS.
 
show me some layouts right of the ring finger with the cg kicked.


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« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2011, 08:29:42 AM »
okay first off, the pin beside ring issue....sorry I dont have a proshop who uses the dual angle layout, i have tried to learn myself and cant understand it and i have nobody willing to take the time to teach it to me. Sorry for that. As for anything else. sorry that is jus what i see as a bowler, not looking to get bashed because i dont have a 600revrate and dont play throwing over 35... i have a good revrate but i like to throw it hard and play straighter angles, that is what i was getting at. sorry for pissing off the bowling gods that know everything.


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« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2011, 10:42:57 AM »
No Offense taken at all StickZ...this topic comes up every few months, and i get emails asking the same questions you just asked.  I should just save my answers so i can just copy and paste them.

 

I'm not going to play up 10 on a house shot just for the sake of playing up 10.  I dont want to mislead the bowler into thinking that the ball is capable of that when i'm actually just forcing that line...like i said in my previous post i try to make these videos as real as possible, so bowlers and pro shops can make the best decisions possible for them.

 

Also pins next to my ring finger tend to be in the 3 - 4" Pin to PAP range.  This is a high flaring layout that doesnt match up well with my slower ball speed on most of my test shots.  I stay in the 4.5-5.5 pin to pap range.  Also i dont "kick the CG" because this really has no affect on reaction, other than forcing me to put a weight hole in the ball which WILL affect the way the ball rolls.  I try to leave as many variables like this out of my videos which is also another reason why i go with simple layouts.

 

hope that makes sense. 

 

 


StickZ wrote on 10/1/2011 7:17 PM:
from what I have seen Britton, and im not saying you dont have good videos because you do. But I would love to see a ball played up 10 on a house shot. also, all of your stuff is extremely smooth, show me something that when it hits the dry makes a left turn. show me some layouts right of the ring finger with the cg kicked. Again, not bashing you or your videos, they are great and I watch many of them, jus from what i see thats all bro. Sorry if I came off the wrong way to you, was not intended.





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« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2011, 11:00:40 AM »
I love all the "good quality" videos made by Video Ball Reviews, Buddies Pro Shop, Tamer Bowling, Justin....etc...but the one that I love is the Hammer videos.  It's not that i'm a Hammer Head, because I'm not.  What I like is the way that they have several different bowlers, all with different styles, different ball layouts, and ball comparisons, all in one video.  They pretty much cover the whole gamut. 


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« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2011, 01:43:37 PM »
Yes Britton makes complete sense. And again, I do apologize for the way I came across as I know i am going to get bashed for the "pin here cg there". I simply dont know enough about dual angle to know what does what. Reason I said "pin next to ring" im a very high tracking bowling (6 1/8 by 1/4 up) so alot of my stuff that rolls good puts the pin above the ring and right of the ring...i cant drill stuff "negative" or over the middle finger as well as under the fingers as i will roll over the holes hence why i said that. Sorry again for the misunderstanding.


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Re: Better Bowling Videos?
« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2011, 03:05:01 PM »

  I didn't take any "offense" at the things you said. What I was trying to point out were merely some philosophical flaws in your line of thinking. I really never try to "talk down" to people about things, because that is the way you learn, ASKING QUESTIONS!

 

 My reply probably came across as gruff, due to the format it was in. It was only in my attempt to show to designate my reply from your original text, and not meant to be insulting.

 

 Please, do not take me for one of those self righteous, self appointed "geniuses" that have little practical, or applicable, knowledge. I have studied the game for almost 30 years, have a good, working understanding of the physics involved in the modern game, and am also willing to share what I know with those who do not.

 

 The "REASON" you catch heck for those "pin here, cg there" remarks is the pin, CG, or mass bias locations in relation to the gripping holes, is totally useless. Every person has a different positive axis point, and it is THAT point that has significance, not the gripping holes.

 

 Asking to see a ball with "the pin beside the ring finger" might give YOU a strong ball, but might give someone else a weak ball, depending on your positive axis point. What if Britton did a video of a ball drilled that way and made it look so good that I drilled one like it for myself? I can tell you that, with my pap coordinates, it would be an early, weaker drilling for me. What if its a strong drilling for him?

 

 It would mean that our two balls would LOOK alike, but be very different in reaction for the two of us.  My pap is only 4 1/8> 1/2^, and if I did videos with a ball drilled "pin right of ring finger", NOBODY would buy one that wanted a high performance piece. Your pap is 2in past mine, so that drilling puts the pin 2in closer to my axis than it does for you, and that's quite a significant amount, and would make a TON of difference in performance.

 

 Sorry if you thought I was "jumping" you about it, that really isn't the way it was meant.



StickZ wrote on 10/2/2011 1:43 PM:
Yes Britton makes complete sense. And again, I do apologize for the way I came across as I know i am going to get bashed for the "pin here cg there". I simply dont know enough about dual angle to know what does what. Reason I said "pin next to ring" im a very high tracking bowling (6 1/8 by 1/4 up) so alot of my stuff that rolls good puts the pin above the ring and right of the ring...i cant drill stuff "negative" or over the middle finger as well as under the fingers as i will roll over the holes hence why i said that. Sorry again for the misunderstanding.


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