Post by: The Hose on September 23, 2003, 01:41:04 AM
Which would you rather do? I know some cats that only want the big games and if the first ball doesn't strike, they blow the game off and don't even try. Those cats will have a low 200 average but will pop off a 300 every now and then and maybe even an 800 series.
Others will grind out every shot and make every spare and will average 220-230 even though they don't have any 300's or 800's for the year.
Which one of these bowlers do you want on your team or which one do you thing are the better bowlers?
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Post by: PGdragon on September 23, 2003, 04:51:36 PM
Post by: seadrive on September 23, 2003, 04:51:46 PM
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Plus, on average, I am big.
Yeah, like your average moose.
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Post by: Rock77 on September 23, 2003, 05:12:49 PM
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Post by: RSalas on September 23, 2003, 07:58:35 PM
Post by: jkiser01 on September 23, 2003, 08:06:46 PM
I second everything you said..
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Post by: laner7pin on September 23, 2003, 08:22:50 PM
As far as which would I choose, last year I avg 203 with a 300 and several 700's (no 800 though). If going into a lot of high handicap tourney's (like 90% or 210/220), I would take the low avg. If scratch, then it doesnt matter if you avg 220 or 120, its scratch. Personally, I would take the 205 with a 300/800 night. For me that means I had one or 2 extremely good nights, a couple not so good nights, but for the most part shot right around 600-620 for a set. I always try to shoot good, never give up type of attitude, even if it is a grind (carrydown, lack of oil, bad carry). Give me the jewelry, I am still avg 200+.
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Post by: Saw Mill on September 23, 2003, 08:45:04 PM
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Post by: The Hose on September 24, 2003, 12:17:58 AM
I think the person who could average 220-230 is a much better bowler and who doesn't have many hot/cold nights. To average that high, you can't have very many bad sets.
This person shows that they can find the shot, repeat time after time and make spares.
I've set a goal this year to not have but 5 game under 200 all year in one league and to not have a set under 600. If I can do that and average 220-230, I'll say I had a great year even if I don't have any honor scores.
One guy on my team is in the City and State Hall of Fame and had never had a 300 or an 800 but he was a consitant 210 average bowler for 30 years.
If you want to be known as a "One hit wonder" go ahead and take the 300. I'm much more impressed with the person who can throw a few strikes and make spares and average 225.
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Post by: mumzie on September 24, 2003, 12:39:15 AM
Post by: T Brockette on September 24, 2003, 01:44:24 AM
I bowled when I was younger and then quit for about 15
years. I started back bowling about 2 years ago. This question
really struck a nerve for me because I carried around 200
to 205 in all 4 leagues i was in during the fall, with some
pretty decent games and several 700's. The kicker is that
my dad and my brother used to bowl and both of them
carried about the same average as me, but they both got the
the ring candy that I don't have. Dad has several 300's and
brother has 300's and 800's. Needless to say it is a big,
fat, gigantic burr in my backside that I haven't achieved
these feats. To answer the question the long way around,
I would rather have a consistantly higher average, but once
just once it would be nice to have someone look down at my
finger and say " Is that what I think it is"? So that I
could look at them with my biggest possum eatin grin and say
" Yeppers, it sure is".
Post by: Saw Mill on September 24, 2003, 02:29:50 AM
In your original post, you NEVER said only one 3, and you also said 230 average, with NO, I repeat ZERO honor scores. As for 1, 300, you did not say that, you said every now and then, which would indicate more than a few. High average, with no HONOR scores is not as good as 200+ bowler who will, "now and then," "earn" their honor scores (plural). That would be like Michael Jordan winning every individual scoring title, BUT the Bulls NEVER getting the Ring.
Dave
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Post by: livespive on September 24, 2003, 08:00:36 AM
NOrmally I would take the high avg, but seeing as the 205
is 10 pins over my avg I'll take it.
Seriously though I perfer the high avg, it shows consistancy.
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Post by: ksucat on September 24, 2003, 10:51:05 AM
Sorry to qualify my response, but if I had never had a 300 game, then I would take a season of averaging 190 with at least one 300 game over the 225 average with no honor scores. However once I have a couple 300 games, then bring on the big average and forget about the 300 game.
I'm a pretty quiet person and normally don't brag, but just for the loud-mouth THB's, I gold-plated my 800 ring and sized it for my middle finger. Now, when one of these hacks starts bragging about his 300 game, I proudly display my shiny 800 ring. It actually shuts them up.
Post by: Pinbuster on September 24, 2003, 11:20:26 AM
I guess it depends on where you are at in your bowling. I personally would rather have the average than the rings but I already have all the rings (but 900). And I believe it would be near impossible on today’s conditions to average 220+ for several years and not shoot an honor score somewhere along the line. But if I hadn’t ever had an honor score then I would probably rather have the 20 pin lower average and get one just so I could join the club.
Post by: livespive on September 24, 2003, 12:25:50 PM
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Post by: TyLytle on September 24, 2003, 12:28:57 PM
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Post by: ClutchClay on September 24, 2003, 12:41:13 PM
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High average, with no HONOR scores is not as good as 200+ bowler who will, "now and then," "earn" their honor scores (plural). That would be like Michael Jordan winning every individual scoring title, BUT the Bulls NEVER getting the Ring.
Dave
That's not a very good analogy. Shooting a 300 is a single game accomplishment. Winning a scoring title, getting the Ring and having league high average are full season achievements (well getting the ring is actually part full season and part playoffs - but you get the point). So, getting the Ring is more like being on the team that wins the the league and that can conceivably be accomplished in either of the above-stated scenarios.
Oh, and I agree with Hose, give me the average. Sure it would be nice to have the 300/800 rings, but I don't need the validation of others brought on by gawking at a ring. Besides, my highest game is 279 whereas my father-in-law, whose average is 20 pins lower than mine, has both a 299 and 300. So, I think it's great that he shot 3 bills, but I am fine with the personal satisfaction of knowing that I am a better bowler than he - 300 or no 300.
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Post by: ksucat on September 24, 2003, 01:07:31 PM
Call me shallow, but I still remember the times before I had an honor score and would have gladly gave away 30 pins in average to get one.
Post by: 9andaWiggle on September 24, 2003, 01:40:26 PM
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Post by: mrteach3 on September 24, 2003, 01:58:19 PM
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Who needs a 300 or 800, when I have a 294!?!?!
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Post by: CoachJim on September 24, 2003, 09:56:04 PM
Post by: Centers on September 24, 2003, 10:08:31 PM
Im working on my game, so that I can outaverage him, and mabey still have more 800 than him. I guess once you have had the honor scores, which I do have all, you really want to work on that average. I think it is imbarrasing when someone says, you have 4 800's and cant average higher than I am. I know, currently at 213 after 5 weeks, I can average above 220, on my traveling league, which is everyone's goal in this league. Well, mabey 210 for most!
If you want to talk about the ABC's, I think I would be a toss up on either the honor games or titles, although a title would be nice! I think it is a great accomplishment if one does throw a honor score because they reconized that everytime you bowl, and your picture will be up every year. I had my shot last year, had the front 10, and ended up with a 289. Titles are hard to come by, but if you shot a honor score, that will make everyone proud.
As far as a PBA title, that would only be a dream.........of mine that is.
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Post by: ksucat on September 25, 2003, 11:02:43 AM
This is why I believe you should develop your "A" game to its fullest potential until you have mastered it so well that you can win a title against the very best in the world when you match up. After you win this title, you can then work much more on versatility so as you do not get shut out when your "A" game doesn't match up.
I was fortunate enough to have a 300 at the ABC tournament, but I would gladly trade that and any future honor score in anywhere for 1 Eagle (preferably Team event, so I can share my joy). An honor score gets announced in your squad and gets you a picture on the wall. An Eagle gets you respect.
Post by: Centers on September 25, 2003, 12:34:25 PM
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Post by: agroves on September 26, 2003, 03:28:05 AM
I like to think I am regarded as a consistent bowler. I don't throw many big 7's or 250+ games, but I average between 210-220. I usually shoot within 10 pins of average every game.
So, I would have to say if I had a 300/800, I would love to average 230 but I would give just about anything for an 800. My father-in-law has like 5 300's, 1 800, and numerous 790+ series. He admits he doesn't even know where he throws the ball. He stands left throws right and carries well. How freaking frustrating is that?? I think he is averaging 235 or so on one league, but just over or less than 200 on another. The tougher league breaks down fast and adjusting is an art. I am averaging 210ish after 3 weeks on the tougher league and 195 or so on the "softer" shot, mostly due to lack of carry. I can hit the pocket but have a hell of a time carrying anything.
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