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12-Strikes

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BIG Bowling
« on: December 17, 2019, 06:41:48 PM »
New ball company coming soon??
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Re: BIG Bowling
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2019, 08:50:58 PM »
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Impending Doom

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Re: BIG Bowling
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2019, 09:07:42 PM »
If they call their first 2 balls the Shim and the Shim Rekker, might as well just go join Banger bowling.
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Re: BIG Bowling
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2019, 09:11:24 PM »
Would it really be a new ball company? They bowl tour events so they'd have to register the products with the PBA which is no small cost
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Re: BIG Bowling
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2019, 10:27:20 PM »
Over/under on how long it last at 18months
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Re: BIG Bowling
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2019, 11:05:29 PM »
Worxshop anyone?  At least they aren't trying to crowd fund their balls I assume.
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Re: BIG Bowling
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2019, 11:55:17 PM »
Quote from: ignitebowling on December 17, 2019, 10:27:20 PM
Over/under on how long it last at 18months

I'll take under.
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Re: BIG Bowling
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2019, 08:43:58 AM »
While I'll agree the marketing is definitely suspect, Victor Marion is involved . . and I'd bet on that guy any day.  His name will offset any damage that poor marketing might do. 
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Re: BIG Bowling
« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2019, 09:27:36 AM »
Quote from: Luke Rosdahl on December 18, 2019, 08:43:58 AM
While I'll agree the marketing is definitely suspect, Victor Marion is involved . . and I'd bet on that guy any day.  His name will offset any damage that poor marketing might do. 

Luke, I've liked your posts and your videos but I couldn't disagree with you more on this. You know Victor's name because of your affiliation with Storm. I've even made the comment that I would love to talk core design with Victor but was told that I would prefer to talk with Hank.  I don't see this going very far at all unless it has a lot of support from Storm.  Bowling ball sales has a lot to do with marketing these days and when a big player like EBI can get swallowed up the little guys should really be sweating.  When was the last time another company not named Motiv had a decent amount of success?  I am not saying that they can't surprise me but I wouldn't invest in it. Not in a contacting industry. 
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Re: BIG Bowling
« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2019, 11:06:39 AM »
Believe me, I'm one of the biggest believers in marketing out there . . doesn't matter how good your product is if you can't generate or drive interest, but his name carries a lot of weight.  Maybe not enough, and I guess you're right, a lot of the general public probably has no idea who he is . . I imagine the stuff will be good at least??

Quote from: Skip H on December 18, 2019, 09:27:36 AM
Quote from: Luke Rosdahl on December 18, 2019, 08:43:58 AM
While I'll agree the marketing is definitely suspect, Victor Marion is involved . . and I'd bet on that guy any day.  His name will offset any damage that poor marketing might do. 

Luke, I've liked your posts and your videos but I couldn't disagree with you more on this. You know Victor's name because of your affiliation with Storm. I've even made the comment that I would love to talk core design with Victor but was told that I would prefer to talk with Hank.  I don't see this going very far at all unless it has a lot of support from Storm.  Bowling ball sales has a lot to do with marketing these days and when a big player like EBI can get swallowed up the little guys should really be sweating.  When was the last time another company not named Motiv had a decent amount of success?  I am not saying that they can't surprise me but I wouldn't invest in it. Not in a contacting industry.
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Re: BIG Bowling
« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2019, 11:20:06 AM »
Motiv succeeds because they have a manufacturing facility. These companies that whitelabel equipment and remarket it as "new" rarely stick around. It's just no money in producing bowling balls in the current climate. 50-75% of the best bowlers in the country are on staff so by the time you comp 1-2x of every ball you make to every staffer/collegiate team, and sell the rest of the balls to them at wholesale, you're really thinning your margins.

You need millions of dollars/year in operations costs/salaries/r&d/logistics and a stretch goal of break-even on profits by year 5-6 in order to make it in this business.

Best of luck to this new brand, but making it in the bowling industry is a tough sell.
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Re: BIG Bowling
« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2019, 11:48:04 AM »
Quote from: SVstar34 on December 17, 2019, 09:11:24 PM
Would it really be a new ball company? They bowl tour events so they'd have to register the products with the PBA which is no small cost

Not for nothing, but Barnes sat out an entire PBA tour season while he let his C300 contract end, bowled the TeamUSA trials, and won the QubicaAMF World Cup in 2014, prior to 900Global finally getting registered.

Point being that the PBA isn't be all/end all, as the WBT is hot. All they really couldn't do from that is bowl the Japan cup, as that is "sort of" a PBA stop.

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Re: BIG Bowling
« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2019, 11:58:10 AM »
Uh, are you sure about Barnes sitting out a season?  I never heard that before, and it doesn't seem like his stats on pba.com show it...
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Re: BIG Bowling
« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2019, 12:25:12 PM »
I can see this being like the Jet Bowling and Seismic. Everybody talks about them, how good the product is, bringing out 5 or 6 balls out at a time and then you don't here about them anymore and they make one ball every two years it seems.
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Re: BIG Bowling
« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2019, 02:10:12 PM »
Somebody is a pretty good salesman to get the tribe to back a misadventure like this. The only way 2 guys that have been involved in bowling as long as they have think this is a good idea is if they have no investment besides their time, or they are way dumber than I give them credit for.
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