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12XSECH

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Big league problem need help
« on: December 30, 2015, 06:43:33 AM »
One of he leagues im in is a small league. 10 teams with 3 per team. Its a split season, the 1st half gets a prize fund and the second half gets a prize fund. They call it a split "session". Heres the problem...2 teams are dropping out as the 1st half ended. This gives a total of 8 teams left. The 1st half is finished and our team is paid in full. We want to leave the league before the 2nd half starts. We were told if we leave we forfeit our 1st half prize fund which is $420.00 per person (2nd place). I never heard of such a thing, we were never given the rules even though we asked for them over and over. The secretary said its not a split season...its a split "session" and thats why we forfeit our winnings. I am contacting the local USBC but has anyone ever heard of this?
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Phoneman

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Re: Big league problem need help
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2015, 07:08:52 AM »
Yes that is the USBC ruling.  It is one season with 2 sessions.  If you quit anytime during the season with out a replacement then you give up your prize winnings. Had this happen last year and the USBC ruled in that the league was correct in not awarding the prize payout from the first half.
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truckstoy

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Re: Big league problem need help
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2015, 07:54:48 AM »
our Sunday league is that way, but we made it clear in our by-laws that you have to bowl both halves to receive payment. it was put in to stop teams from quitting if they did bad 1st 1/2 .  our league is 36 weeks w/ 2 18 week sessions.
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bowlingman817

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Re: Big league problem need help
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2015, 09:57:14 AM »
Just curious to know why 3 out of 10 teams want to quit this league?
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Aloarjr810

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Re: Big league problem need help
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2015, 10:14:25 AM »
According to the USBC rules, as long as the members follow the proper procedures for withdrawing. Rule 114 – Withdrawals/Resignations

They are entitled to the prize money.

You only forfeit prize money if you improperly quit the league.

Rule 114 – Withdrawals/Resignations
114a. Procedure for Withdrawing
Members of a league may withdraw from a league during a season.
1. If a team or individual must withdraw, the following procedure is to be followed:
a. Two weeks notice must be given along with sufficient cause for resigning.
1) A team shall give notice to the league secretary.
2) A member resigning from a team shall give notice to the captain and the
league secretary.
b. The resigning member(s) must pay league fees for two weeks if the bowler is not
replaced within that period.
2. If proper notice and sufficient cause is not given, all franchise, prize and any other money for which
the team or individual may have been eligible will be forfeited, unless the league board determines
otherwise. In addition, the member(s) shall be subject to suspension of USBC membership.
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12XSECH

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Re: Big league problem need help
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2015, 10:51:11 AM »
2 teams were constant absents and they just quit... My team doesn't want to bowl with only 8 teams. At start of this season there was supposed to be 12 teams but 10 showed up... So it went from 12 to 10 to 8...
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LyalC52

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Re: Big league problem need help
« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2015, 08:39:53 PM »
what's wrong with an 8 team league?

IMO you should support the league in hopes that it will grow next season

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Re: Big league problem need help
« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2015, 10:36:49 PM »
Quote from: Aloarjr810 on December 30, 2015, 10:14:25 AM
According to the USBC rules, as long as the members follow the proper procedures for withdrawing. Rule 114 – Withdrawals/Resignations

They are entitled to the prize money.

You only forfeit prize money if you improperly quit the league.

Rule 114 – Withdrawals/Resignations
114a. Procedure for Withdrawing
Members of a league may withdraw from a league during a season.
1. If a team or individual must withdraw, the following procedure is to be followed:
a. Two weeks notice must be given along with sufficient cause for resigning.
1) A team shall give notice to the league secretary.
2) A member resigning from a team shall give notice to the captain and the
league secretary.
b. The resigning member(s) must pay league fees for two weeks if the bowler is not
replaced within that period.
2. If proper notice and sufficient cause is not given, all franchise, prize and any other money for which
the team or individual may have been eligible will be forfeited, unless the league board determines
otherwise. In addition, the member(s) shall be subject to suspension of USBC membership.

Based on the quoted rule, I don't think "My team doesn't want to bowl with only 8 teams," will be enough to satisfy the requirement of sufficient cause in order to release your team from the league.
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12XSECH

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Re: Big league problem need help
« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2015, 07:27:08 AM »
Aside from not wanting to bowl with 8 teams the league is poorly run. We never received copies of the rules even though we asked for them. The prize fund wasnt out until week 9, then had to be adjusted because they let a new team in the league. The new prize fund wasnt out until week 15. The lane conditions are terrible from week to week...I had to sweep the floor myself Tuesday because there were pretzels and pieces of chicken wings all over the place from a kids party in the afternoon...They have the handicap, scores and schedule wrong. 3 weeks ago it had to be pointed out to them that the last 2 weeks (17 and 18) are position nights...They had week 17 as a regular schedule...When I pointed this out to them, then they corrected it. So its not just that its 8 teams. Practice starts at 7:15..I work in Manhattan (NYC) I have to leave work an hour early to get there on time...with all this, its just not a good situation.
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spmcgivern

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Re: Big league problem need help
« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2015, 07:59:40 AM »
Quote from: 12XSECH on December 31, 2015, 07:27:08 AM
Aside from not wanting to bowl with 8 teams the league is poorly run. We never received copies of the rules even though we asked for them. The prize fund wasnt out until week 9, then had to be adjusted because they let a new team in the league. The new prize fund wasnt out until week 15. The lane conditions are terrible from week to week...I had to sweep the floor myself Tuesday because there were pretzels and pieces of chicken wings all over the place from a kids party in the afternoon...They have the handicap, scores and schedule wrong. 3 weeks ago it had to be pointed out to them that the last 2 weeks (17 and 18) are position nights...They had week 17 as a regular schedule...When I pointed this out to them, then they corrected it. So its not just that its 8 teams. Practice starts at 7:15..I work in Manhattan (NYC) I have to leave work an hour early to get there on time...with all this, its just not a good situation.

Based on the above quoted reasons, I think it is a sufficient reason.  However, the word sufficient in the rule is subjective to the powers that be. 

With that said, how much is your weekly fee?  Assuming 36-week league with 2 18-week sessions, you might owe less than what your prize fund would pay. I would at least evaluate paying the rest of the year out and bowl whenever you feel like it (take forfeits for the rest) and get your prize fund at the end of the year.

i.e.  18-weeks at $20 a week means you owe $360 so earning $420 gives you an extra $60.
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12XSECH

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Re: Big league problem need help
« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2015, 10:04:34 AM »
$26.00 per week.
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spmcgivern

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Re: Big league problem need help
« Reply #11 on: December 31, 2015, 10:36:32 AM »
Well, in that case, consider if you will get anything for the second half.  You probably get some point money perhaps?  Personal/Team awards?  I would hate to see you give up your money.
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mrwizerd

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Re: Big league problem need help
« Reply #12 on: December 31, 2015, 10:58:10 AM »
I have been in a league that my team wanted to drop from, but we stuck it out and at the payout night when they asked if we would be back we told them no.  In your case (if you are lucky and they ask why) then you can rattle off all of the examples that you have talked about in previous posts.

From a monetary stance with you having $420 coming from just the 1st half, I would gut it out and try and make the most $$$ you can in the 2nd half.  If you get close to your 1st half winnings in the 2nd half you will have done quite well (in my book).
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itsallaboutme

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Re: Big league problem need help
« Reply #13 on: December 31, 2015, 11:28:15 AM »
$420 isn't life changing money, it's a bad roll at the craps table.  Just decide if it's something you want to do for the next 18 weeks.
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Re: Big league problem need help
« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2015, 08:13:19 PM »
You have to also remember the league signs a contract with the bowling alley and they are responsible to pay for the whole year, so every bowler that is in the league is obligated to pay for the whole year or get a replacement team to take over the obligation. If you do not pay the entire amount then you can be banned from participation in sanctioned league bowling until it is paid.
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