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1fife

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biggest hooking non particle ball?
« on: December 02, 2003, 04:16:32 PM »
looking for a new ball.  Havent had the results from particle i thought id have. May want to stick with non particle only.

We have oil, so has to be a big hooker.

what do you think may be the biggest?
and where you think most the hook is
a-heads  b-mid lane   c-backends
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ClutchClay

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Re: biggest hooking non particle ball?
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2003, 10:33:17 AM »
According to the BTM ratings over the last two years it's the NeoTac Khameleon.
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Re: biggest hooking non particle ball?
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2003, 11:41:05 AM »
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lane #1 black cherry bomb...drilled stack leverage for max length and max hook...least control.  haha, that ball hooks though!
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Re: biggest hooking non particle ball?
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2003, 11:45:06 AM »
Here (http://www.geocities.com/clutchclay1@sbcglobal.net/balls.xls) is a spreadsheet I have created using all the BTM reviews from the last two years.

** Note: At some point last year they changed the scale for some of the ratings.  One that I know they changed was length - it went from 1-10 to 1-25.

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Re: biggest hooking non particle ball?
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2003, 12:05:34 PM »
I have had over 100 balls from the different companies over the years.  I think the Demolition Zone from Brunswick is the hook monster so far.  I have not personally had much experience with Lane #1 stuff, but have always been disapointed with Storm for hookability.
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Re: biggest hooking non particle ball?
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2003, 12:15:19 PM »
I've seen a good handed bowler through the Black Cherry Bomb...it's not as strong as people think it is.  I've seen weak handed bowlers use this and it skids right off the pin deck.

The Inferno isn't as strong as people think it is too, with that factory finish it's a bit weak on longer oils, and stacked against the Charcoal Ex it doesn't even compare.

To be honest my Buzzsaw XL hooks just as much as the Inferno did.  My Inferno was drilled 4x4, and my XL is drilled 5x4 (pin under), the major difference is the type of reaction, my XL is more sweeping where the Inferno went longer and flared more.

......Ok Ok, I'm exaggerating a bit here but the XL is only a few boards weaker than the Inferno.  People in my second shift league pull these out when the lanes start to cook...

The Deuce is pretty strong, I'd have to agree with it being one of the strongest non particles.  That ball rolled right off my hand...


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mumzie

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Re: biggest hooking non particle ball?
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2003, 12:51:12 PM »
Funny. My deuce hooks, but nowhere near as much as my Inferno.
I bought the Deuce in april to take over top spot in the arsenal (most hooking). It stayed there for a while, but is still challenged occasionally by the original danger zone.
The inferno - WOW - that ball moves.
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charlest

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Re: biggest hooking non particle ball?
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2003, 01:59:44 PM »
May I suggest to everyone, that we don't really know what the inquirer wants.

Some balls will hook a ton IF AND WHEN they are used on their intended condition. Yes, the Inferno qualifies as a hook monster, drilled right and thrown right on the right condition. No, it will not hook as much as a Black Cherry Bomb, when that ball is used on its condition. The Jungle Green Predator is also a huge hooking ball, but it needs more oil than the polished resin, Inferno, to do that. I assume those are enough examples.

May I suggest that 1fife rephrase his question?
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Re: biggest hooking non particle ball?
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2003, 02:05:54 PM »
Im surprised nobody has said the savage..That ball hooks a ton for me..
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Re: biggest hooking non particle ball?
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2003, 02:10:17 PM »
If you match the surface to the lane conditions, most any ball will "hook".  I had a Dynothane Thing sanded to 800 grit and it hooked quite a bit, while I have a Player 1500 grit polished and it skates through the oil.  Right now I think some of the strongest resin covers are PK 18 (blueberry buzzsaw, maybe the monster bruiser?), and the Soaker cover from Dynothane (Element and The Thing).  Match the surface and these would be strong balls (although strictly speaking, in heavy oil a non-particle ball will skid).

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Re: biggest hooking non particle ball?
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2003, 03:14:58 PM »
If I'm not mistaken when BTM reviews a ball its usually with the factory supplied finish, so the numbers can be deceiving.
If you're looking for major movement in the backends - try a Time Zone with some surface. Mine's drilled pin over ring and PSA indicator about 3/4" right of the thumbhole. I've thrown it with the box hi-gloss polish, dulled to 600, and a couple of steps in between. It's a strong mover on oil and carry-down with surface tweaks. Any "solid" Powerkoil 18 makes a pretty good 'oil' ball when the surface is tweaked to match the lane condition. The Time Zone with surface is stronger than the Bruiser with surface in my experience. The Monster Smash/R is also a good candidate if you want a more even arcing finish. I did not have near as much hook on oil with the Wicked BRT. Inferno is also an excellent candidate with some surface tweaks - but it's going to be an earlier hooker due to the low RG.
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Re: biggest hooking non particle ball?
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2003, 03:52:04 PM »
charles

- did state what i wanted

if you want more specifics here it is

drilled not max leverages

lets say 4.5 x 4.5
all balls 1500 dull

like i said previuosly-there is oil, not 55 gallon drum oil, but very good oil-no shortage. decent backends

hope this helps


a little FYI
jungle green is particle
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Phillip Marlowe

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Re: biggest hooking non particle ball?
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2003, 04:13:46 PM »
Visionary's DC Tour Warlock, slightly dulled, is even more than the Khameleon, which I think hooks a ridiculous amount for a reactive.  Kept in box,  DC Tour is probably the biggest hooking smooth surfaced (800 grit smooth) reactive I have seen.
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charlest

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Re: biggest hooking non particle ball?
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2003, 05:07:52 PM »
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charles

- did state what i wanted

if you want more specifics here it is
drilled not max leverages
lets say 4.5 x 4.5
all balls 1500 dull
like i said previuosly-there is oil, not 55 gallon drum oil, but very good oil-no shortage. decent backends
hope this helps


Yes, it does.
From my experience, you've just hit the nail on the head.
I have just resurfaced a Black Cherry Bomb to 1500 grit smooth; it is drilled 5x4 and it hooks more than any other balls I have owned to date.

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a little FYI
jungle green is particle


yes, indeed, it is. Oops. sorry.

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scotts33

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Re: biggest hooking non particle ball?
« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2003, 05:37:54 PM »
1fife--Are you looking to cover a lot of boards?  Does that mean a lot of hook to you?  Flare?  What kind of condition are you going to use this ball on?

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Visionary's DC Tour Warlock, slightly dulled, is even more than the Khameleon, which I think hooks a ridiculous amount for a reactive. Kept in box, DC Tour is probably the biggest hooking smooth surfaced (800 grit smooth) reactive I have seen.


Phillip I agree here.

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