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avabob

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Biggest misconception about carry
« on: September 07, 2013, 05:00:13 PM »
Been going to post this for a long time.  Finally with introduction of Badger pattern, and heavier oils it is probably appropriate. 

For years we have watched as more power in terms of revs and speed have become integral to the game.  Most people equate more hook to better carry because they mistakenly believe that increased entry angle decreases deflection to enhance carry.  The truth is that increasing entry angle in and of itself does not reduce deflection, but merely changes the direction of the deflection.  What really reduces deflection is the release of rotational energy regardless of the amount of hook that is being generated.  A ball that is still releasing rotational energy will carry better at a 4 degree entry angle than a ball at the so called optimum 6 degree entry angle that has burned out. 
 
How can we demonstrate the truth of my statement, and more important why is it important.  The truth of the statement can be demonstrated by how the pros attacked the 52 foot Badger pattern.  The newest BJ talks about this and states that the long pattern heralds the return of the stroker.  It was impossible to create entry angle on the Badger, yet guys were driving the 5 out playing a fall back shot at 4th arrow.  They did it by matching their speed to their rev rate in order to get the ball to release its rotational energy at the optimum time to minimize deflection without hooking the ball much.  Something we strokers understood 35 years ago, but got lost in the short oil era.

Why is this important.  Because I think the trend is going to be to longer oil, with higher viscosity ( Kegel Ice ).  It is going to be harder and harder to simply over power such conditions because friction that has been abundant over the past 35 years is going to be at more of a premium if, in fact, we do see longer oil with high viscosity. 

What are the implications for most competitive bowlers?  It is not going to be about gripping and ripping it, but more about matching rev rate, axis rotation, and ball speed to best exploit less friction.  High rev rates will still be an advantage, but lower axis rotations, and better speed control will be very important.   

 

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Re: Biggest misconception about carry
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2013, 01:11:57 PM »
 I wouldn't worry about it too much.

 The reason is this: As oils get more and more viscous, proprietors, concerned with keeping the largest portion of their customers happy, will find ways to compensate and keep the shots "easy".

 They will:
1. Lower volumes
2. Shorten lengths
3. Use lower viscosity oils (as long as they comply with minimum viscosity)
4. Only oil the lane from "5 to 5", leaving the outside 5 boards as a dry bumper.

 Not only that, but it will open up another pandora's box for ball manufacturers to exploit, by creating even more and more aggressive coverstocks, which die sooner and sooner from exposure to the more viscous oils, thus causing them to make even more money from the consumers they already prey upon.

 You are correct in what and why a shot carries. I just don't believe that conditions can be found that ball manufacturers can't engineer a ball to hook on, at least not as long as the USBC continues to turn a blind eye to them because of all the money involved.

 REMEMBER, ball makers still have that epoxy technology in the closet, and there were some of those made that would outhook ANYTHING currently on the market on conditions far slicker than anything we currently see.
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Re: Biggest misconception about carry
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2013, 09:23:19 PM »
Juggs they gotta have three units on outside five or the shot is illegal
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Re: Biggest misconception about carry
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2013, 09:59:59 PM »
With today's equipment, 3 units is nothing. Considering the loads they put in the middle. You can use plastic on 3 units, so calling it a dry bumper isn't too far off. Watch Gunny's new video (Mainzer, I know you did.). He gets it right of 5, and it looks like someone kicked it left.

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Re: Biggest misconception about carry
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2013, 10:00:31 PM »
Juggs they gotta have three units on outside five or the shot is illegal

 TECHNICALLY, you are correct. In practicality, I know several proprietors that don't give a rat's arse about what is "legal" and what isn't.

 I don't think the USBC will really care either. As long as the money keeps rolling in, they aren't going to upset anybody's applecart. This is the sad part.
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avabob

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Re: Biggest misconception about carry
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2013, 10:03:47 AM »
I don't worry about it.  As a stroker longer heavier oil is good for me.  Leagues won't change, but tourneys are another matter. 

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Re: Biggest misconception about carry
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2013, 10:15:09 AM »
3 units is minimal with today's strong equipment basically like nothing is there.  It's a moot point.

Lane conditioner is measured by loads and milliliters and measured in a tape reader as units.  Most centers don't have any idea what they are putting down anyway.  They don't tape and read their lanes regularly and that's a huge issue.
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Re: Biggest misconception about carry
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2013, 10:58:19 AM »
The funny thing is that most good bowlers do better on tapered patterns where the 3 unit minimum is not being skirted to an extreme.  Wet dry right to left is just as tough to deal with as wet dry coming off the end of the run for me.  Of course that returns me to my original point.  Most bowlers think maximum hook equates to maximum carry, and that is not true.