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Gizmo823

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We've been having internal debates on our local board about hall of fame inductees.  We are getting some younger bowlers on the board now, but there are a lot of 60+ guys and a lot of under 40 guys, not many in the middle.  What really is a sticking point here is several of the recent inductees over the last couple years.  There have been a lot of "buddy system" picks, or guys that have been put in just because they're good friends with somebody on the board or bowled with them a long time.  I don't think that simply bowling for a certain number of years merits being put in a hall of fame.  However, I also don't think that a young phenom that pops in a bunch of honor scores over a decade or so deserves to be put in yet either. 

We do have several guys in their mid to late 30s that are very deserving though.  Guys with city championships, state championships, bowler of the year awards, though most of them haven't been involved behind the scenes, either in a center/pro shop, on the board, etc.  The older guys hedge because they don't think those guys have "paid their dues," but then the guys they've put in recently haven't done much more than bowl for a few decades.  Guys with an honor score or two, high finishes in city or state tournaments, and just being on the list a few times for bowler of the year.  There was one guy a couple years ago that's really done absolutely nothing.  One 300, never in the running for bowler of the year, city top ten, city or state tournament, but he's shown up and drank coffee on Saturday mornings for the last 10 years in between telling kids here and there to keep their arms straight and discouraging the ones graduating into adult leagues from jumping into the competitive scratch leagues. 

I also don't think you can have a certain set of requirements, or at least you shouldn't hold everyone to them.  We did have a sports writer that hasn't bowled in 30 years but has followed city bowling and has written about it in the city paper for the last 35 on his own time (paper has given him space but hasn't paid him for it).  He absolutely deserved it, but had absolutely no actual bowling credentials.  Going back to a lot of these "younger" bowlers, they are also MY peers, and I don't want to do the same thing as these older guys are doing and just try to put in MY buddies.  I don't think I would do that, but I'd wager to guess the older guys don't think they're doing that either.  I also DO think you need a certain amount of time invested.  If somebody goes completely HAM between the ages of 20 and 30 then has a couple kids and quits, I don't think that is enough, but at the same time, if that person bowled for another decade, even if they didn't win a thing or put up another single honor score, I feel they would be deserving or at least more deserving then. 

I weigh service heavier than accomplishment.  If you're just going in for accomplishments on the lanes, I think you need a lot more for a lot longer time than if you are active in the community, on the board, in the business, etc.  Those people sacrifice a lot of time that could have been spent improving their own game and advancing their own skills and success.  Let me give you a few examples of people I would like to put in our hall, because I want to make sure I'm being objective here. 

Bowler 1:
Age: 38
300 games: 10
800 series: 8 (high of 856)
Career average: 225 (appx)

Pro shop operator for nearly a decade, worked at a local center in his younger years.  Has a doubles title at the Greater Ozarks Open, is a member of a state championship team that set and still holds a scoring record, shot 300 at this year's state tournament, has multiple top ten finishes in team at state, has a city team championship (maybe more), too many cashes in all other events in city and state tournaments to count, and has been in several city top ten tournaments and is always in the running for bowler of the year.

Bowler 2:
Age: 35
300 games: 40
800 series: 38 (high of 853)
Career average: 230-235

Head mechanic at local center for about 6 or 7 years, worked at the center for over a decade.  6 time bowler of the year.  Multiple top ten championships, city tournament wins in ever event, state tournament wins, lots of local sweeper/tournament wins.  Honor scores in SEVERAL different houses, including a sport 300 and 800. 

Bowler 3 shares a similar stat line to the previous bowler, though not quite as impressive.  Would it be fair for these guys to be put in the hall of fame?  I would say obviously yes, but again, want to make sure I'm not biased. 
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Mighty Fish

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Re: Need some opinions on local Hall of Fame standards/requirements
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2014, 01:42:27 PM »
Dear Gizmo823:

Do you think that a bowler with these credentials should be considered and inducted for a local Hall of Fame?

* Came up through the local junior league program, where she carried the highest youth average (boys or girls) before joining adult competition.

* Carried high female average in the association and was the first area female to roll an 800+ series (plus other league accomplishments too numerous to mention).

* Won a record 32 Professional Women's Bowling Association titles and was Female Bowler of The Decade in the 1980s (while representing her home area).

* Won the 1996 USBC Queens Tournament champion, plus five USBC Women's Championships titles.

* She is a member of the USBC, WPBA and Florida state Halls of Fame.

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Re: Need some opinions on local Hall of Fame standards/requirements
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2014, 01:45:41 PM »
Dear Gizmo823:

It would certainly seem that Bowler No. 1 and Bowler No. 2 would have sufficient local Hall of Fame credentials, but such qualifications wouldn't likely be enough in my area ... UNLESS they also fit into the "good-old-boy" clique that comprises the Hall membership.

Gizmo823

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Re: Need some opinions on local Hall of Fame standards/requirements
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2014, 02:26:22 PM »
First of all, I would say obviously yes.  Our board put Chris Barnes in about 10 years ago (was born and raised here), and most of his success has come since then. 

Area I suppose does matter.  We have about 120k-ish people in town, big city, not huge, but these guys are the best of the best in the city.  In Kansas City?  Run of the mill guys there.  But apparently bowling for 20 years, shooting 300 once, and drinking coffee at youth leagues for a decade will get you in here . .
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Re: Need some opinions on local Hall of Fame standards/requirements
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2014, 02:58:59 PM »
Dear Gizmo823:

Have you ever heard of such bowlers as Gil Sliker, Steve Neff, (former PBA Tour director) Ted Thompson or (1981 Masters finalist) Skip Tucker?

Apparently, none of them are good enough to make our Hall of Fame, either, despite longtime ties (and service) to this area.

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Re: Need some opinions on local Hall of Fame standards/requirements
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2014, 11:25:01 AM »
Here are the requirements to be placed on our association's hall of fame ballot.  Once on the ballot, the hall of fame members and association directors vote.  To be elected to the hall of fame, a candidate must receive 2/3 of the ballots cast to be elected.

Updated HOF Criteria & Applications
Updated April 3, 2012


•The HOF committee will always have at least 3 HOF members who may or may not also be directors.
•HOF Committee will work with board and others to validate a candidate’s bio and accomplishments.
•Once on the ballot or in committee, the candidate will then remain there for up to 4 years.
•If a candidate is not elected/selected after 4 years, he/she will have to be renominated.
•There is no limit to the number of candidates who can be on the ballot in any given year.
New Superior Performance
HOF Criteria
Section 1 – In order for nominee to be placed on the ballot the following credentials must be met:
1.Nominee must have adult membership in the GDUSBC for at least fifteen (15) years and be at least 35 years of age by March 31st of the nomination year.
2.Nominee must be a member in good standing with the GDUSBC and the USBC.
3.Nominee must have bowled at least five (5) honor scores (300 game and/or 800 series). Honor scores must have been accomplished in at least three (3) different centers.
4.Nominee must have at least one of the following (handicap and scratch count as separate titles):
a) Two (2) GDUSBC city titles (includes Mixed, Women’s, Men’s and Senior events)
b) One (1) Ohio USBC state title
c) One (1) USBC national title
d) One (1) PBA/LPBA national or regional title

 

Section 2 – In order for nominee to be placed on ballot he/she must also have 5 of 6 of the following criteria:
1.Bowled in at least 10 adult GDUSBC local city tournaments
2.A top 3 placing in the City GDUSBC tournament in addition to titles in section 4a above if used. For example if a bowler has two city titles and another top 3 finish then both areas would be satisfied. If a bowler has one city title and one state title then both areas (4a and 2) would be satisfied.
3.A top 10 placing in the State USBC tournament in addition to 4b above if used. For example if a bowler has a state title and another top 10 at state then both areas would be satisfied
4.A top 50 placing in the National USBC tournament in addition to 4c above if used. For example if a bowler has a national title and another top 10 at nationals then both areas would be satisfied.
5.A top 3 placing in an additional tournament besides the city, state or national USBC tournaments (i.e., City Queen’s, K of C, Bradley, Derby, Fillies, American Legion, State Queen’s, Hoinke, 700 club, Officer’s, Pot of Gold, Team USA, etc.). This must be verifiable.
6.Member of a GDUSBC All City Team.
 

The following can be used to replace criteria in section 2 above. Up to two replacements can be used:
1.Another title from #4 in section 1 above. For example, if nominee has 2 city titles and a state title, but no top 50 placing at National USBC tournament, 4b from section 1 would replace 4 in section 2.
2.GDUSBC Local High Game or Series score for 5 person, 4 person, 3 person, 2 person, or individual (series only) during a season. This can include mixed team. This must be verifiable.
3.National USBC Recognition for top 5 High Game or Series score person, 4 person, 3 person, 2 person, or individual (series only) during a season. This can include mixed team. This must be verifiable.


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Re: Need some opinions on local Hall of Fame standards/requirements
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2014, 12:17:12 PM »
You're not alone.  Same issues here in that some seemingly deserving folks are left out while a few long-time league bowlers got in recently.  I've been in the city less than 20 years, but some of these guys were just middle of the pack in scratch leagues that I saw. 

I think it would be nice to see the HoF credentials for all to see and aspire to.  I want people to say "WOW" when the see what a HoF has done.

Our committee had the brilliant idea to only show credentials to those voting one year without any names attached.  These credentials basically being how many honor scores shot.  Didn't even reference when the honor scores were shot, so recent numbers were just as important and those pre-1990 scores.  Duh, the whole place would stop to watch someone go for 300 back in 1972.  Not that I'd personally know, but I've heard many stories from the old farts.

CPA, I'm going to take your requirements to a board member as a starting point for discussion.