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Pinbuster

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If bowling was like golf
« on: June 28, 2004, 12:11:42 AM »
In previous threads there was discussion that bowling may go the way most golf is played (Sawbones will like this ).

Few leagues will exist. You simply bowl when you feel like it, regardless of day of the week or time of the day.

But if it was like golf would you be willing to have to get a time reserved several days (or weeks)in advance. You could only get a lane if times were available, lanes would be given only for a certain amount of time and you will be charged for your reserved amount of time before you start to bowl regardless of how many games you may bowl. And if you don’t have a required number of bowlers on the pair they can have others join you. Blocks of prime times maybe given to clubs and leagues that participate on a regular basis and the whole house may be sold out. If power would go out after you have bowled a third of your time you would not get a refund.

Few golf courses can accommodate walk on groups only an occasional single. They reserve their tee times several days (generally up to a week) in advance. You are expected to pay for 18 holes in advance and to play the holes in a given amount of time (hopefully less than 4 ½ hours). If you don’t have a full group (4 or 5) they can and will pair others with you. Rain checks are generally not issued if you have completed more than 5 holes.

Maybe bowling leagues aren't so bad.

 

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Re: If bowling was like golf
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2004, 06:00:58 PM »
Well said, Bob!!!
The only thing I'd like to see bowling have in common with golf is the size of the professional prize funds.

On a personal note, yhere is a really good reason why I bowl instead of golf.
Several years ago (ok, ok - a couple of decades ago), I joined a golf league, took a bunch of lessons, bought a set of clubs, and set out to learn the game.

At season's end, I got the "award" for the most strokes over the course of the season, and didn't even play a couple of weeks. When my bowling average was around the same as my golf average ( and I was a pretty good bowler) after the money and time spent on trying to learn the game, I hung it up, sold the clubs, and haven't played anything more serious than mini golf.

Although lately, hearing all the talk about how equipment in golf can make you a better player, I admit it's starting to sound interesting again...

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Re: If bowling was like golf
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2004, 06:42:33 PM »
Bowling is a game.  A very good game, but a game.

Golf is an addiction.  Hazeltine has given up trying to cure it.
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Re: If bowling was like golf
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2004, 07:22:21 PM »
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I believe both games can be an addiction.  My personal addiction happens to be bowling.  I also wish the prize funds could be bigger, although strangely enough, I think the game would be better if prize funds never got to the level of the PGA.  I would like to see the top tour guys be able to approach $1 million per year, but just as important it would be nice if local pros could scratch out a decent living from their committment to the game, the way club pros do in golf.  I say a statistic one time the an extremely high percentage of college golf team players, on scholarship, ultimately made their living from the game in one way or another.  It was well over 80%, I think.  The guys making the millions on tour are really the tip of the iceberg, when it comes to money made from golf.  In bowling I know lots of guys who were good pros and great teachers whose only option is to try to eke out a living in the cut throat pro shop business.  

That brings up another pet peeve about golf.  The amatuer rule where you can only win merchandise ( conveniently available only at you course pro shop, at exhorbitant prices ) is the most self serving piece of garbage I have ever seen.

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Bob, you have hit something right on the nose...its the economics of the game of bowling.  One thing that just seems wrong is the inability of bowling to attract the sponsor money to create a "big time" money tour.  There are more bowlers than golfers, they spend money on equipment and on their leagues.  Why isn't WRW a multimillionaire?  He should be.  

Part of may be that we do not have the same self confidence about our game and no uniform standards for the game.  No one can teach the game, because bowling isn't one game -- there is high level tournament bowling and recreational bowling and league bowling.  The games are not the same.  There are no uniform standards.  What are bowling's fundamentals?  Does anyone know? Why hasn't there been more written and published about bowling?  Doesn't it sell?  Don't bowlers read and buy things?  Why don't we have bowling coaches or teaching pros that charge $250 per hour? Perhaps because we wouldn't pay for the time.  Yet, in my experience, good bowling coaching and teaching is far more useful, in terms of scoring, than good golf teaching and coaching.  Maybe we just don't view bowling as a sport the way golfers do.  Maybe it is because of the illusion anyone can do it.  I don't know, but it is wrong.


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Re: If bowling was like golf
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2004, 07:24:21 PM »
If bowling were like golf, I'd never go for fear of people "rolling up" on me because I wasn't bowling fast enough...
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Re: If bowling was like golf
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2004, 08:57:15 PM »
Perfect score in golf has been achieved almost in golf twice.

The score as one stated would be 54.

55 has been shot twice I think and it has been achieved once by Homero Blancos of the PGA tour and a renown teacher, and recently I think someone shot 56 and was more under par than Homero.

For 9 holes perfection has been achieved more often than that.  I have actually seen it done!!!  I think that a fellow once scored 23 or 24 for 9 holes and his name was Tom Doty.  I also think over a 4 hole stretch he might have been 10 under!  Something like hole in one, hole in one on a par 4, hole in one on a par 3, double eagle 2 on a par 5.  If memory serves me right!

Walter Ray Williams is not a multimillionaire, what with no kids, endorsement money on top of prize money, reasonably modest tastes and compound interest, I find it hard to believe!

I'll have to hook him up with a good money manager I know!

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PS BOb, I agree with you, my passion is bowling too!  I love how one never gets rained out.  Sick of taking days off for golf and getting a thunder boomer.
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Re: If bowling was like golf
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2004, 10:29:02 PM »
If bowling was like golf, I'd win a lot more often.  --  JohnP (the low score)

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Re: If bowling was like golf
« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2004, 10:41:09 PM »
A perfect score in golf would be an 18.  It's definitely possible to get lower than a 54 with par 5's reachable in two with today's technology.

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Re: If bowling was like golf
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2004, 10:54:13 PM »
That's the lure of golf...you can ALWAYS do better than you did the last time out.

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Re: If bowling was like golf
« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2004, 08:52:53 AM »
Well this definitely went a different direction than I was intending the thread to go.

The point I was trying to make is that there are a lot of positives in bowling in league. Others have said bowling may go the way of golf. Few leagues and you simply bowl whenever you happen to feel like it.

With bowling leagues you have reserved times. You don’t have to seek out a favorable time as in golf.

With bowling leagues you have rules structured. Few in golf play by strictly by USGA rules. Some play “winter Rules” year round, gimmees, mulligans, etc.

With bowling leagues everyone will have an established handicap and how many pins per game that will be given. In golf many don’t have USGA handicaps and strokes given/taken are negotiated.

With bowling leagues you have a match already arranged. No haggling and negotiating on the first tee. (I’m sure this is Sawbones favorite part )

With bowling leagues you know at least half your group. Your teammates are always the same. When you just show up you don’t know who you will be paired with.

I have always enjoyed the structure of leagues and the knowing I have matches setup for the next 30+ weeks. But I’m a structured, logic driven person.

As with Bob, bowling is my primary passion. I golf during the late spring and summer months as a change of pace but I pretty much put the clubs up in September until April even though there are at least a couple more months of good weather.

Golf is a great game. Much more difficult to master than bowling and I feel it is more honest in showing your true ability. Few golfers delude themselves into thinking they can play with the pro’s when playing on 6000 yard municipal courses.

Sawbones – What you said about the golf boom being over is happening in this area. Local courses are hurting. The paper has been running a story the last week about how the city courses are now loosing money. Ten years ago they had 205,000 rounds played on their 4 city courses. Today they have 185,000 rounds played on 5 city courses. And another local public course just opened and a private course is set to open this fall.

As for the assertion that it is thousands of times easier to shoot 300 than par 72 I disagree. A top golfer can shoot par virtually every time he steps on a course. A bowling pro cannot figure to shoot 300 every time he bowls a game. I would say a round of 63 or 64 on a course would equal a 300. Easy short course would be the THS 300, long tough course the sport condition 300.

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Re: If bowling was like golf
« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2004, 12:27:17 AM »
Funny thing happened on my flight back from Reno recently. Much funnier than my bowling there or maybe it was funny I bowled so bad. Anyway. The Delta flight happened to have the in-flight line of TV shows. One which was about golf. The program was focused on how technology was destroying the game and how pros like Tiger Woods are pushing to have rules put in place to stop the use of the highend balls and clubs on tour. Seemed strangely familiar. His complaint and that of many others was that hackers with the new balls and clubs could drive balls as far as the best pro's and it was taking away from the sport. It was also costing some of the really good players money. Still seemed really familiar. So, in someways golf is a lot like bowling. Technology has caused the average player to be better than they really are and who knows, in time the money behind gold might start to dry up if anyone can do it.

On the positive side of bowling. The new owners of the PBA are gaining sponsor money every year. Who would have thought a couple years ago that an elite group of professionals would be playing for garunteed paychecks and that hosting centers would not be having to fork out money to get the tour in the center. Who would have thought we would have multiple $100,000 tournaments. Is a $250,000 first place far off in the future, I don't think so, maybe even higher. Even the regionals have had a small influx of extra money, at least you can double your entry by just cashing. Couldn't do that a year ago.

Early in this Bob spoke of bowling with champions. Heck I paired with Chris Johnson last weekend in a regional. Next to DJ Archer and couple lanes over from Wes Mallot and several other top 50. Watched several others later in the day and even watched former PWBA player Tiffany Stanborough that morning. Have bowled with and against Chris Barnes and Walter Ray in the past. Can't say that too many golfers have had that opportunity and I am not even talking in ProAms. No I didn't even get close to CJ, but showed improvements. It is always a blast when you get to shoe up against the guys on the show and occasionally you might come out on top, but they do this for a living for a reason. They are good. Just figure shooting 207 and 206 your 1st and 8th games and still lead qualifying with plus 370. That is what CJ did and he ended up in 5th at the end. Off subject, sorry. Still blown away by his performance. Oh this was on the "B" pattern, 43ft long on 1/2 synthetic,1/2 wood lanes.

 You have to respect the Pro Golfers and bowlers who do this for a living. Now both sports require you to qualify to compete on the "Tour". So the similarities continue. Maybe we are not far off from seeing CJ plugging a candy bar or Walter Ray pushing tires, maybe Barnes or Fleming talking about some type of product for kids. They are two of the new dads on tour.