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mainzer

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USBC Life Expectancy bet
« on: July 10, 2009, 07:45:01 AM »
How many years do you think the USBC Will be able to operate given the current circumstances? Fewer and fewer bowlers cause them to rasie prices but that just drives more bowlers away. They don't seem to care about this though. They elimante awards which may keep some bowlers in the sport, In my mind the awards don't matter but to some they may it shows they have accomplished something.

So how long does the USBC have left? Are they taking their last gasp? On life Support or are they turning the corner?

I think they are on life support, I beleive they maybe getting desperate behind closed doors.
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janderson

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Re: USBC Life Expectancy bet
« Reply #16 on: July 13, 2009, 04:04:50 PM »
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Who is going to run the national championship? States? Locals?

Who is going to run Junior Gold? All the team USA�s?

Who is going to ensure that lane beds are level? Gutters deep/wide enough? Pins made correctly? Balls meet specification?

Provide a national database of averages/achievements? Ensure tournaments are played on a level playing field for all participants?

All this besides all the things like bonding that have been brought up hundreds of times in the past.

You hear this stuff virtually every year. The USBC is here and will continue to be here for many years to come.

The move to Texas has moved it in the same campus as the BPAA and while certain administrative functions may merge in the future I expect the USBC to continue to be the rules and regulatory arm of any organization.
 
The fact that many of the complaints come from bowlers spending thousands of dollars a year on equipment but don�t want to give $20 to help govern and grow the sport and worry about some 50 cent chevron. I find this ironic.





 





You forgot, "insure league prize funds" - no, you didn't by mentioning "bonding" but I thought I would help explain a bit. That's one of the better reasons to sanction - not the pretty patches. I've seen too many unsanctioned leagues have league prize funds in excess of $15,000 up and walk away.

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Re: USBC Life Expectancy bet
« Reply #17 on: July 13, 2009, 09:53:10 PM »
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How many years do you think the USBC Will be able to operate given the current circumstances? Fewer and fewer bowlers cause them to rasie prices but that just drives more bowlers away. They don't seem to care about this though. They elimante awards which may keep some bowlers in the sport, In my mind the awards don't matter but to some they may it shows they have accomplished something.

So how long does the USBC have left? Are they taking their last gasp? On life Support or are they turning the corner?

I think they are on life support, I beleive they maybe getting desperate behind closed doors.
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My bet is they will be around longer than you.

mainzer

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Re: USBC Life Expectancy bet
« Reply #18 on: July 13, 2009, 10:37:13 PM »
Headwest that is possible

And a part of me hopes so.
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JessN16

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Re: USBC Life Expectancy bet
« Reply #19 on: July 13, 2009, 11:27:15 PM »
I don't think there's any doubt there will be a sanctioning body. The real question is what will that body look like.

I do think we're likely to reach a point where the wants/needs of the individual members, long put into action through the votes of ABC/USBC delegates, are no longer the rule of the day. The key element is the influence of the BPAA, and the biggest question of all is at what point do you reach where the BPAA is really running things and not the members.

Some people say that point has already been passed, but I'm not talking about what it "feels like." I'm talking about it becoming official and on paper that the BPAA or its operatives within the BPAA-USBC dynamic actually hold the final say on rule changes, awards, etc.

We've passed the point at which a collection of league bowlers could go into convention and come out telling centers what to do. The annual inspection process is pretty worthless right now. Centers blatantly tell volunteer inspectors to "give them a heads up" when it's time to sanction so they know to get things in spec for a week and then after that, it's back to business as usual. I submit that if we held convention next year and bowlers voted to tell BPAA centers that they would only bowl league if the pins were neon pink, the centers would probably tell the USBC to take a hike -- and be able to make it stick.

I am not happy about the minor awards being taken away. You don't give out enough 7-10s or Triplicates in a year to make a real dent in your budget, and the folks that really like those awards are your core customers, typically seniors, for whom it actually means something. That smells like nickle-and-diming at its finest.

With that now gone, basically the only tangible benefit you get by sanctioning is prize fund bonding, and if anyone else ever figures out how to do that cheaper than the USBC does it, the clock will really start ticking. As far as rules enforcement, there's nothing to stop someone from just copying the rules the USBC already has in place and playing by them. So the prize bonding is the last real carrot left in the ground.

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