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dizzyfugu

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Release problem --- advice appreciated!
« on: December 28, 2004, 07:10:25 PM »
I am a slow stroker (ball speed ~15mph), more than 6' tall and through "feeling" and finally a video shooting I found a severe release problem: I tend to keep my thumb too long in the ball upon release, resulting in lack of rotation and power of the ball (= only 225 RPM/8 hand revs, though I am quite exact).
I play without a wrist support, and I guess that my "gripping" problem is a final result of a broken-back wrist which moves the thumb downward. Consequently I grip with the thumb too tight to the ball because it feels like losing it upon the downswing. My finger action is good, and my wrist firmness HAS become better over time - but it seems like there is a serious problem behind it all.

I suppose that a large wrist support (covering forearm and back of my hand) will do the job, but I do not like these cumbersome things, especially when throwing a spare ball. Are there any suggestions or advice to this wrist problem, or will I have to go for the supporting device?

Thanks for your help!
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Re: Release problem --- advice appreciated!
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2004, 06:22:54 AM »
Well you may have to go with the wrist support.  But a couple of other alternatives (not sure if they will work but their worth a try) would be to...

#1 try using a lighter ball.  If you use a lighter ball then it probably will not feel like the ball is going to fall off your hand as much and you, hopefully, will relax a bit.

#2 if you do not use a thumb slug in your ball then I would suggest trying it.  The slicker surface will cause your thumb to slide out of the ball easier, so in retrospec you can make the thumbhole tighter.  Thus causing you to, hopefully, not grip the ball.  There is also maybe a possibility that your span is too short.  If the span is too short you will usually grip the ball because you feel it falling off.  

Anyway since you don't like the idea of a wrist support I would try either of these or both before you use it.  But on the other hand if you started using a wrist support you would most likely get used to it in no time.  And it is definately the easiest solution.  Hope this helps ya.

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Re: Release problem --- advice appreciated!
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2004, 06:32:50 AM »
Try to find the name of a good pro shop who's an expert in grips and pitches; ask all the really good bowlers in scratch leagues.

From your description, I seriously doubt if your ball is fitted correctly. Wrist devices should not have to make up for mistakes in the fit of the ball to your hand. Eveyrone's hand is slightly different; yours may be more different and generic pitches may be a problem for your hand and hand strength.

If other pro shops (more than 1) say your grip and pitches are fine, then I would still check with a certified (if at all possible) coach to see a wrist device is the right solution for you.
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Re: Release problem --- advice appreciated!
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2004, 06:41:43 AM »
It is my guess that your are slightly short for you, with pitches that are not proper in the thumb.

Yesterday I did a test with three balls.  All within 1/8 of the same.

Ball A short.
Ball B maybe perfect
Ball C too long.

Ball A was off the hand quick and wrist was slithtly bent and broken.
Ball B was off real level and wrist was comfortably cupped no wrist brace.
Ball C ball was slow, back of thumb was scuffed up and slightly damaged.

There is a correct span and pitch for you.

Very often also one does not have the proper lateral pitch for their thumb which can really make a difference in ball roll.

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Re: Release problem --- advice appreciated!
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2004, 07:49:19 AM »
Charlest, what pro-shop do you use,i also live in N.J.and i am in need of a good pro-shop.

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Re: Release problem --- advice appreciated!
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2004, 08:05:32 AM »
Alex, I live in NJ and I use Semiz pro shop in Carolier Lanes, they seem to be the best around.
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Re: Release problem --- advice appreciated!
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2004, 08:08:06 AM »
To help, you should get a wrist support, I hated wearing mine at first but I had the same problem as you. I reccomend the Robby's Revs Line (The first one to be exact). I use that for my strike shot and any spares on the left side of the lane. Then I take it off when I shoot at 10 pins and any other right side spares. Hope this helps you, send me a message if you need more help.
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Re: Release problem --- advice appreciated!
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2004, 09:50:05 AM »
dizzyfugu,
If you will read all the articles I have written on my website all your questions will be answered.
Here is a link to the archive page.
http://www.bowl4fun.com/ron/roncarchive.htm

There are 36 articles there and I am getting ready to post another one.
That should keep you busy for a while and fix all your problems.

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Re: Release problem --- advice appreciated!
« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2004, 09:50:05 AM »
dizzyfugu,
If you will read all the articles I have written on my website all your questions will be answered.
Here is a link to the archive page.
http://www.bowl4fun.com/ron/roncarchive.htm

There are 36 articles there and I am getting ready to post another one.
That should keep you busy for a while and fix all your problems.

NOW about my FEE!
Send me one "M" series BMW in Black.
Bowl great!
Ron Clifton

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Re: Release problem --- advice appreciated!
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2004, 10:27:42 AM »
I find this post interesting, as the last time I bowled
I decided to not use my wrist device. I use a Moongoose
lifter. Well it did not take long to feel like my thumb
was staying in ball too long. So put the brace back on and
everything was fine. Wrist braces are training devices.
If I really wanted to go without it and practice keeping the
wrist straight I could, but thats just one more variable that
can go wrong along with all the other stuff. I am in favor of
anything to keep the game more simple.
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dizzyfugu

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Re: Release problem --- advice appreciated!
« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2004, 08:16:04 AM »
Hi everyone,

thank you very much for the suggestions and ideas, you are a great help.

Some details and replies:
I am playing 15 lbs. balls, mostly with thumb slugs, and they fit perfectly. I shrug from having negative thumb pitch - I tried ball of a friend but was not able to hold it, it just slipped off (I have quite long and sleek fingers). I am sure it is not a ball problem, just my wrist bending too much and me getting used to it - rather something mental and a bad habit, yes.

I got in the meantime advice from local senior players, even a national team player (Yeh, that's service...). They confirmed independently that I tend to grip too tight to the ball. Timing and anything before my release is O.K.

A lighter ball won't do; I tried this, but I throw 14 lbs balls halfway down the lane, due to gripping too strong & long. And it does not feel good at all, the 15 lbs is really perfect.

I have a WristMaster II device, and I have tried it in recent trainings again. Have to get a feel for this, but it seems to help, keeping my hand straight.
I also settled for a larger wrist support now, and I tried to open my hand/thumb earlier, so that the ball "falls" onto my fingers as it should. This also feels... unusual, but works fine so far and my results did not drop.

Thank you very much again, and good bowling!

PS:
The M series BMW might be difficult, though...
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