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Nicanor

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Bowler running out a strike, interference or a right
« on: September 16, 2009, 01:46:07 AM »
I'm the President of our league and we had a problem with two teams regarding
running out a potential strike.
 
The bowler on lane 13 threw the ball starting running out the potential strike
went past lane 14 and onto lane 15. The bowler on lane 15 was on the approach beginning his approach toward the foul line when he caught the bowler running toward him as he was running out the potential strike.  This made the bowler on lane 15 mad and an argument was started.  I don't know if there is a rule to cover this, but some say he has the right to run out a strike.  If true, how many lanes?  If a bowler is suppose to stay in his own lane and not run out strikes to and though other lanes, is it in writing in the USBC handbook?  If not, the "just be courteous" will not work.  If there isn't something in writing that says they can't run out strikes and should stay in their own lane, then this will be a continuing problem.
 
Thank you,
 
               
 

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Re: Bowler running out a strike, interference or a right
« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2009, 12:42:12 PM »
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Make it a league rule.  Unless he touched the bowler on 15, there is no interference.  In junior league, an idiot intentionally ran up behind another kid who had a 300 going.  Needless to say the kid missed his strike.  While the perpetrator was suspended for his behavior, the bowler does not get that shot back.
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That is the most low class , worst thing I have ever heard..
We have a guy that for some reason gets really loud whenever anyone is on 10 or 11 in a row.. I thought that was pretty low but your guy takes the cake.
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Re: Bowler running out a strike, interference or a right
« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2009, 01:01:45 PM »
Nic..... sounds like a call to the rules committee of USBC is in order since nobody can find a USBC rule against something like running out a strike/spare etc. Or as another poster stated, create a league rule specifically against such action, calling for the dismissal of any idiots who insist on running out!

Or, perhaps the best approach, again mentioned by a poster would be to bait the guy. Have a large, sturdy male bowler plow into the guy during the "big guy's" approach and perhaps do the runner some damage. Swinging the ball into the runner's groin might do the trick!

I'm sure with a little more thought, we could come up with some other solutions that would cause the runner even more pain!
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Re: Bowler running out a strike, interference or a right
« Reply #18 on: September 16, 2009, 01:14:26 PM »
Craft a league rule against having happy feet. All you need is majority rule(captains) if league is in first month(30 days) of fall season. After 30 days you'll need 100% approval from captains. Make that frame a zero and see if he does it again. If your team is the last one finishing and no one is on the lanes-have a ball(if you feel the need to slide 4 lanes worth).
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Re: Bowler running out a strike, interference or a right
« Reply #19 on: September 16, 2009, 01:27:57 PM »
Those that claim an inherent right to run out the strikes can make the claim ad infinitum but it won't change the fact that no rule expressly permits the action.  When it becomes interference, it becomes an action sanctionable by league or tournament officials (not to mention another shot for the person who was interfered with).
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Nicanor

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Re: Bowler running out a strike, interference or a right
« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2009, 01:30:27 PM »
Thanks again for the feedback.  i sent an email off to USBC first thing this morning.  I'm waiting for a response.  I agree it shouldn't be done and the guy is a jerk, but short of making our own league rule, I'm hoping USBC will have some insight for me.

Thanks again,

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Re: Bowler running out a strike, interference or a right
« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2009, 01:40:31 PM »
Is the USBC default rule one lane of courtesy, unless overridden by a league rule?  If so, anyone running out a shot more than one lane would automatically be in violation.  If a bowler is on 10, no one should be on 9 or 11, but those on 8 or 12 should have the right of way.

Anyone running out a shot not on at least the front 10 needs a lesson in manners.
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J_w73

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Re: Bowler running out a strike, interference or a right
« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2009, 02:33:31 PM »
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Is the USBC default rule one lane of courtesy, unless overridden by a league rule?  If so, anyone running out a shot more than one lane would automatically be in violation.  If a bowler is on 10, no one should be on 9 or 11, but those on 8 or 12 should have the right of way.

Anyone running out a shot not on at least the front 10 needs a lesson in manners.
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The USBC rule on this is if there is contact made with the other person then it is interference and the person that was in the process of their delivery has the option to take the shot over(if the shot was released onto the playing surface).  I don't believe there is a general "rule" on lane courtesy or running out shots 3 lanes over.
The USBC doesn't usually have rules or should have to have rules on people being A**holes
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Re: Bowler running out a strike, interference or a right
« Reply #23 on: September 16, 2009, 02:50:36 PM »
I thought there was a rule that states you must stay within the boundries of your current lane no further out than the gutter caps?

But you know a bowling abll to the ankle in full motion would hurt the moron doing the running
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Re: Bowler running out a strike, interference or a right
« Reply #24 on: September 16, 2009, 03:09:43 PM »
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I thought there was a rule that states you must stay within the boundries of your current lane no further out than the gutter caps?

But you know a bowling abll to the ankle in full motion would hurt the moron doing the running
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Haven't heard of that one. But if there was something that the USBC said about it I would imagine it had more to do with courtesy and not a rule and more than likely would say," "should" stay within the boundries of your current lane", cause "must" means nothing if there is no penalty for not doing it.
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Re: Bowler running out a strike, interference or a right
« Reply #25 on: September 16, 2009, 03:16:45 PM »
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I thought there was a rule that states you must stay within the boundries of your current lane no further out than the gutter caps?


I have seen people standing in front of the ball return in tournaments. If this was a rule I am sure someone would called these people on it.
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Re: Bowler running out a strike, interference or a right
« Reply #26 on: September 16, 2009, 03:17:46 PM »
There is no rule. The only line in the rule book I see is the foul line.
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Re: Bowler running out a strike, interference or a right
« Reply #27 on: September 16, 2009, 03:26:08 PM »
I bet the offender was African or Mexican.  Those gosh darn immigrants.
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Re: Bowler running out a strike, interference or a right
« Reply #28 on: September 16, 2009, 03:26:09 PM »
Personally, if I throw a good shot and I know  it's a good shot, I like to hold the "pose."  
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Re: Bowler running out a strike, interference or a right
« Reply #29 on: September 16, 2009, 03:29:02 PM »
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Craft a league rule against having happy feet. All you need is majority rule(captains) if league is in first month(30 days) of fall season. After 30 days you'll need 100% approval from captains. Make that frame a zero and see if he does it again. If your team is the last one finishing and no one is on the lanes-have a ball(if you feel the need to slide 4 lanes worth).


Unless USBC has changed something major and not told anyone, the minute the first shot is thrown for score in the new season it takes a unanimous vote to make a rule change. If one person is opposed to the change, that is the end of the discussion.
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Re: Bowler running out a strike, interference or a right
« Reply #30 on: September 16, 2009, 03:39:58 PM »
I like Striders interpretation. "One lane of courtesy, unless overridden by a league rule? If so, anyone running out a shot more than one lane would automatically be in violation. If a bowler is on 10, no one should be on 9 or 11, but those on 8 or 12 should have the right of way."

One lane courtesy would apply to all situations, a waiting bowler and also the actual bowler. The bowler running out the shot interfered and effected bowler should be able to re-bowl the shot.
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