Author Topic: Bowler running out a strike, interference or a right (Read 10025 times)

Nicanor · « **on:** September 16, 2009, 01:46:07 AM »

I'm the President of our league and we had a problem with two teams regarding
running out a potential strike.

The bowler on lane 13 threw the ball starting running out the potential strike
went past lane 14 and onto lane 15. The bowler on lane 15 was on the approach beginning his approach toward the foul line when he caught the bowler running toward him as he was running out the potential strike. This made the bowler on lane 15 mad and an argument was started. I don't know if there is a rule to cover this, but some say he has the right to run out a strike. If true, how many lanes? If a bowler is suppose to stay in his own lane and not run out strikes to and though other lanes, is it in writing in the USBC handbook? If not, the "just be courteous" will not work. If there isn't something in writing that says they can't run out strikes and should stay in their own lane, then this will be a continuing problem.

Thank you,

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Edited on 9/16/2009 9:46 AM

J_w73 · « **Reply #31 on:** September 16, 2009, 05:58:53 PM »

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I like Striders interpretation. "One lane of courtesy, unless overridden by a league rule? If so, anyone running out a shot more than one lane would automatically be in violation. If a bowler is on 10, no one should be on 9 or 11, but those on 8 or 12 should have the right of way."

One lane courtesy would apply to all situations, a waiting bowler and also the actual bowler. The bowler running out the shot interfered and effected bowler should be able to re-bowl the shot.

There is not rebowling of a shot unless contact is made with the bowler. That is a USBC rule that I am pretty sure can not be over-ridden by a league rule.
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sdbowler · « **Reply #32 on:** September 16, 2009, 06:49:12 PM »

Here's a weird twist to staying in your lane. About 6 years ago maybe a bit longer. I stepped to the side, still in my lane. The kid bowling next to me yelled at me for stepping over. I barely released the ball when he started his approach. I turned to him and said next time why don't you wait and use lane courtesy. If you would have waited to start a few seconds longer that this would not have been a problem and that I was still in my lane so I was legal to step to the side like I did. So to be a jerk the rest of the night when he was next to me no matter how good of ball it was I side stepped. He started to wait until I was completely done.
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i_throw_strikes · « **Reply #33 on:** September 16, 2009, 08:39:17 PM »

well i understant if someones got the front 11 or needs to strike for a 800 because alot of the time people give them a little extra room to but ive been the victim of this and it did end up in someone getting punched i was on my backswing and some jack@@s ran into me i got to rethrow the ball but i had a really good run at shooting big that night and this kid was running out a double 2 lanes away i think there should be a rule if not added into the league rules

DanH78 · « **Reply #34 on:** September 16, 2009, 08:40:28 PM »

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I agree, but without anything in writing, I have no ammunition to prevent this from happeing again in the future.

thanks for the replies.

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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)

You can make a league rule. I believe the spirit goes you can make a rule to be MORE strict than a USBC rule already in place, but you cannot make a rule that counteracts a USBC rule making it less strict.

And in cases like this, where there is no USBC rule regarding running out a shot, you can pretty much write whatever rule you want. Just need to check what your league rules say about creating new rules (some leagues only captains vote, others the entire league, maybe you need simple majority, 75%, etc).
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Nicanor · « **Reply #35 on:** September 16, 2009, 10:13:34 PM »

Reply from USBC, there is no rule governing running out a potential strike or running a ball out regardless. You can make a league rule stating that a bowler would be in violation of a league rule and the only penalty could be a fine.

So far as changing the league rules, you can add a rule to the league rules with a majority vote, but you can't change a rule that has already been voted in. This part is my interpitation, nothing from USBC about this and I didn't ask.

Same day and got a response. Thats great.

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Edited on 9/16/2009 10:14 PM

stormed1 · « **Reply #36 on:** September 16, 2009, 10:40:34 PM »

Years ago we had a guy who insisted in running strike out 3-4 lanes. We asked him to stop and he told us what we could do. I waited for him to be up and when he started to run it i started my approach and rammad a ball right up his butt. he stopped running the out after that
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J_w73 · « **Reply #37 on:** September 17, 2009, 12:20:00 AM »

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To my knowledge, there is no USBC rule that prevents running out a shot. That being said, I believe you could "technically" have called a foul on the bowler since USBC defines the foul line as "indefinite" and "extending infinitely" or something to that effect.

Since the bowler traveled onto another pair, one could say that he fouled by leaving his designated bowling area. Maybe someone can find the rule, but I can't for some reason. Personally, I've run out shots from time to time. Both of my 300's, big shots in close matches in league and tournament play etc, but I always try to stay on my own pair unless the pairs in the direction I'm walking are empty.

I'd say, if you're up on the adjacent lane in either direction while someone is making their delivery, this is the perfect example of why you wait until the bowler walks back off the approach before starting yours. 2 lanes over? That should never happen. As the league president, you could adopt a rule (with a majority vote in a captain's meeting) that would prevent anyone from walking/running out a shot past the boundaries of their pair.

Edited on 9/16/2009 8:45 PM

foul line is indefinite along the line.. it does not extend perpendicular to the foul line..
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scotts33 · « **Reply #38 on:** September 17, 2009, 12:29:33 AM »

Time to revisit the rule book and make the USBC deal with it so they can earn their keep. Write some black and white rules that we can live with and understand instead of so many gray areas.

Polishing balls after competition starts....altering ball surfaces and many more. Time to deal with it USBC! The rules are so antiquated it's time to look at each one. Rule book looks like your website.

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J_w73 · « **Reply #39 on:** September 17, 2009, 12:53:16 AM »

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Time to revisit the rule book and make the USBC deal with it so they can earn their keep. Write some black and white rules that we can live with and understand instead of so many gray areas.

Polishing balls after competition starts....altering ball surfaces and many more. Time to deal with it USBC! The rules are so antiquated it's time to look at each one. Rule book looks like your website.

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from my experience the USBC doesn't like to make hard and definite rules or rulings. They like to leave things ambiguous and open to "spirit of the rule/game" interpretations.
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Atochabsh · « **Reply #40 on:** September 17, 2009, 01:53:57 AM »

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Unless USBC has changed something major and not told anyone, the minute the first shot is thrown for score in the new season it takes a unanimous vote to make a rule change. If one person is opposed to the change, that is the end of the discussion.

It hasn't changed.

You still need a 100% unamimous vote if the leauge has already floored to change a league rule.

Now there is some grey area, if you want to add a totally new rule. You are not changing a rule and therefore might be construed as to needing a basic majority vote.

BUT ther is no 30 day trial period.

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KingofKings696 · « **Reply #41 on:** September 17, 2009, 03:58:39 AM »

I agree running out a shot that far is stupid.... I will admit sometimes I slide sideways after my release into the next lane but NEVER any further.... Also if your a bigger guy such as I am just run him over and shove him downlane and then just redo your shot and continue on your way as if nothing happened.

Phoneman · « **Reply #42 on:** September 17, 2009, 06:54:18 AM »

And if you run into him hard enough and push him past the foul line then he has to take a zero for that "wonderful" strike he just threw...

KingofKings696 · « **Reply #43 on:** September 17, 2009, 07:32:39 AM »

LOL.... when I was younger and played soccer I got in trouble for playing too rough even when I was playing clean for the ball cause I was running through the smaller players to get the ball OB(played Defense back then). Ah those were the days and Id of played football but didnt want to practice everyday I wanted some free time....

tc300 · « **Reply #44 on:** September 17, 2009, 08:51:13 AM »

ive found we have 2 guys that do this in our friday night league... there also a new team this year...
1: it kinda sux, i havent said anything yet.
2: if there next to us i just watch for them or make sure there done b4 i bowl.
3: why the fawk are ppl running strikes out 2-4 weeks into the season?!?!?!?!

i could see it a lil towards the end of the year or if your team is tryn to win the league, but a few weeks into it

tc300 · « **Reply #45 on:** September 17, 2009, 08:52:16 AM »

ive found we have 2 guys that do this in our friday night league... there also a new team this year...
1: it kinda sux, i havent said anything yet.
2: if there next to us i just watch for them or make sure there done b4 i bowl.
3: why the fawk are ppl running strikes out 2-4 weeks into the season?!?!?!?!

i could see it a lil towards the end of the year or if your team is tryn to win the league, but a few weeks into it

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