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JOE FALCO

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Bowling 700+ week after week!
« on: September 11, 2004, 02:06:47 AM »
I have NO REASON to question these people .. to myself I wonder WHY aren't they going into the PRO'S? In my mind I find it hard to believe that someone throwing consistent 3 game series of 700+ can't find a sponsor to get into the PRO ranks while they are going GOOD! If someone can shoot that well while WORKING TO MAKE A LIVING imagine what they can do when THEY BOWL TO MAKE A LIVING! I'd appreciate hearing from bowlers who BOWL WITH these high scorers .. tell me your thoughts on WHY THESE PEOPLE AREN'T PRO'S?
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Re: Bowling 700+ week after week!
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2004, 10:21:31 AM »
I bowl over 700 pretty much every time I bowl a league set. This week, bowled my 2 leagues and subbed in 1. Each set over 716. (If you click my profile check the link in it)

I think that you just don't quite grasp the difference in oil patterns between day to day league bowling and the PBA. The shotmaking requirement out on tour is much higher. You need to have perfect release, accuracy, and speed to be consistent out there. On THS you can miss and still be in the pocket.

There is a HUGE difference in talent between a PBA player and a guy who shoots big numbers on THS. I do agree that a guy that racks up 700's in league may have the potential to give the regionals a go. These are the types that generally need some seasoning in regional events. I have however seen newcomers win their first regional events. This has happened twice in the last 10 years in the Midwest.

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Re: Bowling 700+ week after week!
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2004, 10:21:32 AM »
Joe,

I know 2 bowlers that roll 700+ series consistently.  Bowler 1 averages in the mid 230's, but during the summer league averaged in the mid 240's.  If Bowler 1 did not break 700, he was having a tough night.  Bowler 1 has no interest in going pro and prefers to bowl in high dollar tournaments.

Bowler 2 averages in the mid 230's, and will generally have several 800+ series during the course of the league.  Bowler 2 says he can make more money in amatuer tournaments than he can on the PBA Tour.  

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Re: Bowling 700+ week after week!
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2004, 10:32:17 AM »
There are several factors that play into the equation IMHO. One is that there are many GREAT bowlers who choose not to venture into the waters due to time, travel, family, etc.

But there is a huge difference from shooting consistent 700's locally (THS's) and what the professionals encounter during their travel. The different houses play differently, even with the same oil pattern. Between different surfaces (various synthetics and wood), the condition of the actual surface, and the various oil patterns, make some incredibly demanding and tough conditions, each unique. Thus, mandating a very adaptable physical game.

It is amazing just how good the Pro's really are, and until you can bowl beside them for 10-12 weeks in a row, most would never see it. Their ability to change the most subtle thing to score, and be consistent with each change. The speed at which they read lanes, ball reactions, and adjust accordingly.

This is not to say many "locals" can not compete with them, or win occasionally, as many have seen it happen in "local" tourneys. But the long haul is quite different. I can cite many instances here, with our local Obenauer Masters Championship, Classic Shootout, etc., featuring many top locals, top national amateurs, and pro's like Angelo, Baker, Ciccone, etc.

I am positive we will hear many other reasons, and maybe even from some that have attempted the tour and decided it wasn't what they expected, for one reason or another.
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Re: Bowling 700+ week after week!
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2004, 11:20:32 AM »
I agree with those who mentioned a THS versus tour conditions.  Take me for example. This week I shot 747, 720, and 731.  All of these were at three different houses on a THS that I know well.  I've bowled on these same shots for a little while now and it's just a matter of carry.  Put me on PBA pattern like at a regional event or something like that, I'm thrilled if I shoot over 210!
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Re: Bowling 700+ week after week!
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2004, 12:01:11 PM »
right
on house shot the local bowlers with bowl good
they know the shot, lanes, ect,
my last 4 sets 742,771,722,721.

we are not bowling with the pros on PBA pattern A<B<C<D.
league bowlers are what they are
I tried couple regionals I will let that to them
averaged 190 to 200, needed more balls ect.

but I also but in a tough house where oil is NONE
last 4 sets 592,526,645,571.

shoot lot of spares start at 3rd arrow end at 5th.

it all depends on the house.it can be easy or hard
I still have more fun shooting 700 at the easy house
have couple of beers go home feeling good.




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Re: Bowling 700+ week after week!
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2004, 12:16:57 PM »
I've bowled with a well known top tour player who often doesn't average over 221 or so most of the time in league.

He is not an area bowler.  But he averages almost as high on the pro tour! within  
7 or 8 pins.

Then I bowl with a lot of guys who have 7 or 8 boards at the breakpoint in league with big hands and average mid 230s.  But when they go to regionals they struggle to average 195 +.

Difference is very easy.  At pro tour level one must hit ever shot at 45 feet within 3 boards at breakpoint, if you don't do that you are toast.

If this skill is not part of your game you are not making it on today's protour!

I also bowl with a guy who is just throwing 800s like every other week in his 4 leagues and also sometimes has 2 in a week!  He will not make the protour but if he didn't wilt under pressure may be able to whip many pro tourists on the local lanes.  A different skill set.  Power speed combined with creating a lot of area thru revs.

Creating area on tour doesn't really happen that much.

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Re: Bowling 700+ week after week!
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2004, 01:40:36 PM »
I understand where you're coming from thinking that guys shooting 700+ every night can go out on the Regionals and succed.
About 8 or 9 years ago I was that guy.
Averaged 230+ in league and did alright in local tournaments.
I lined up some backing and made a 5 tournament swing to see how it would go.
Well you learn real fast what works at home won't work out there.
The ball hooks in spots that you didn't think were possible.

So I took my lumps and made my self a better bowler to compete out there.I was out there for 5 more years.
And I succeded at it but at a price.
My scoring on a THS suffered because of it(ie. my average dropped slightly,my honor scores decreased).
Now I'm a more complete bowler who bowls better when the lanes get uglier.
I bowl better in longer formats with higher finishes(bigger pay checks).

So for me it worked out in the long run.
But its hard to explain to people that averaging 230 in league doesn't mean success out there.
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JOE FALCO

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Re: Bowling 700+ week after week!
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2004, 02:29:08 PM »
You guys have convinced me! I think if I were carrying a 230+ average .. nothing could stand in my way to give the pros a shot! No doubt I also would falter .. but it would be heck to go the rest of my days THINKING I COULD HAVE DONE IT .. without knowing FOR SURE! My feeling would be YOU NEVER KNOW UNLESS YOU TRY!

Another look at this .. how can these EXCEPTIONAL bowlers (those amateurs averaging 230+) make money as amateurs? Anybody bowling against them (with money as risk) has got to be a fool! It's like betting you can beat a PRO!

Again if I was hitting 230 I'd find some way to make a fool of myself and PRO'S HERE I COME!

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Re: Bowling 700+ week after week!
« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2004, 03:48:17 PM »
i've been averaging in the 230's for the first few weeks of leagues so i guess i can comment here. The shot out there is so easy, its almost like a different game. I find my spare game deteriorates dramatically from bowling on these easy patterns, and i was pissed today when i shot a 646. i've also bowled a few tourneys that have put down variations of pba patterns, and have struggled to average 180. These patterns really make the game completely different. I'm probably going to average in the 220's in one league, 2 teens in another, and yet i will struggle to average 180 on a pba shot.
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Re: Bowling 700+ week after week!
« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2004, 04:07:30 PM »
Dave Husted bowls in our scratch league on a THS.
His AVERAGE was 250+ this year.

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Re: Bowling 700+ week after week!
« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2004, 04:16:07 PM »
There are some people that actually average higher on the PBA shots or even a sport shot than a house shot...doesn't seem common, but I know a few.  Other than the shot differences, you have to remember that in a PBA event, you need to be able to shoot big numbers for a hell of a lot more than 3 games.  Endurance plays a big part in it.  I know people that can bowl 3 games well and then they fall apart after that because they start having problems with their thumb or they get tired.  You can't afford to do that on tour.  As many have said before, if you are a 200 average bowler, you would indeed be lucky to average 180 on the easiest pattern which is the 35 foot pattern E in my opinion.  The first game or 2 on those patterns while the shot is fresh...you can usually find a consistent line but once carrydown sets in and it becomes spotty, the difficulty continues to increase.  You need a significant amount of dedication to ever make it anywhere out on tour.  No one that goes in and bowls 3 or 6 games in a week has any shot in hell at doing anything out there.  Everyone that makes it anywhere bowls more than that each day.

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Re: Bowling 700+ week after week!
« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2004, 08:53:46 PM »
Joe,

The top money earner on the PBA Tour last season, Mika, made approximately $239K.  The 50th money earner last season made approximately $25K.  It is more lucrative for the "professional amateurs" to bowl in Megabuck tournaments where their odds of winning are much greater.  

Finish 50th on the PGA Tour money list and you will probably earn $500K+.  Substantially increase the prize money on the PBA Tour and the "professional amateurs" will join the PBA Tour.
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Re: Bowling 700+ week after week!
« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2004, 09:13:29 PM »
50th on the PGA tour is over 1M now.  About 60th place is
about a Mil now.

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Re: Bowling 700+ week after week!
« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2004, 10:24:39 AM »
Averaging 240 on a house shot in league  is always an accomplishment. However, booking a three-game average is EXTREMELY different than an eight-game average.

Most house stars have no clue about making big adjustments.  How many know how to step in front of a ball return and loft the gutters?  How many can lay it on the 2 board and keep it there for 50 ft?

Sure, you all know someone who can.  But sport shots break down very different than house shots... and more than once.  You not only have the have equipment, but you have to have the head to know when to make those ball/feet adjustments.  Not to mention you move pairs every game.  Tour/Regional players never really get locked in.  As soon as they get comfortable, the game is over and they move pairs.  The pace is also very different.  Usually no more than four on a pair.  Not much time to relax.  

I've seen house stars fail to break 170 on sport patterns and I've seen them make match play.  The only way to know for sure is to give it a shot.  The bottom line is... bowling league does not prepare you for Tour/Regionals.

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